Opinions on this watch seem to differ. I read that if people buy a V4 they actually get a V3, and that there is often a problem with a micro screw. Is this a good model as a first rep?
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PAM111 Noob V3/V4 - How reliable?
- Thread starter Shogo
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Then you are asking about different things, the actual supply of V4 (still inconsistent) and the micrometer issue (which has happened enough that we can call it an issue and something you should check but this is not only with the PAM111 but also with other reps that use this like the PAM127), both of which are not directly related to reliability od the watch. The PAM111 is an old faithful, the movement, aside from the possible missing screw, is bulletproof and properly serviced should give you years of happy ownership.
This is a good reply, thank you. When I order from a TD, what would you recommend should I do in order to make sure it‘s a V4 and it doesn‘t have the micrometer issue? I‘m not very technical and would like to have a nice PAM111 out of the box. Regardless, I should get it serviced, right?
You can't "make sure" it's a V4. You'll just be tiring the heck out of your TD rejecting it because of this "non-issue". The factory supplies whatever is on hand. You reject a watch that adds 2 weeks minimum to the ordering process. Now the micrometer issue is sometimes it's missing which can mean the screw is inside the movement which is very bad. You could damage the movement. With regards to servicing it all depends on you, some do it as soon as they receive it; some do it once the watch breaks down.
How do I see if the micrometer screw is missing in QC? I guess I will just order the p111, looks like a solid rep overall.
Get a watch from BK. He does all the mods to this watch himself before shipping to you. He also stands by his work for a period of time if the watch isnt working properly.
How does one "see" if something is "missing"...I now see you may have not researched on what the micrometric screw even is cause if you did, you would know where to look and from there see if it's there or not. Anyway, here is an image from one of the stickied threads here. You should be able to tell now in QC pictures if the MS is missing or not.
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I know the screw is only there for cosmetic reasons but shouldn't the micrometric screw touch the dagger?
Provided the screw is present and you have the y incablock then it should be v4 and it is a reliable movement. Mysterio's pic doesn't have the y incablock but if you use Tcc13c's pic or my one below then you can compare. If you compare the pics and look between the dagger (regulator) and the jewel and you will see a u shaped cut out.
Rickjames111
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There is also a thread dedicated to identifying V4 111’s. That is one way that you can make sure you are getting a V4. The issues are, as some have pointed out, rejecting a watch that may not be a full V4 will add at least a couple weeks lead time and also, you need some pictures from some pretty specific angles to properly identify that it is a V4.
As BK Pam 111 owner. I can tell u. It worked perfect with his mod. Nothing happened over year for contantly using it.
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