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PAM111...Is this a gen or a super rep?

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loxlox

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Hello, I am offered this PAM111 (H series)...looks gen to me, but I prefer to ask the experts here, if it has all the characteristics of a gen...
I could provide more pics if needed.
Thanks for your help!




 
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It looks gen to me also but I do not particularly like the swan neck shape though. May be it is just me, any experts please chime in and see what of think also?
 
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Another view of the movement:
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swan neck is Gen like, CG is gen like , crown and ratchet wheels are gen like also.. how much is this offered?


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ALE7575

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Movement seems gen
CG seems gen
Crown and crystal seem gen

For case and bezel I would like to see pics from 3, 9 and 6 or 12 in order to assure it. Because gen H series had shape very similar to Noob
Anyway finish of the back of the case and caseback are very good for an old rep. Most likely gen

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READ MY POST BELOW- Now I have my doubts
 
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The pallet bridge is not brushed, the head of the micrometric screw is not drilled and I dont like the swan neck tail...
The finish of the bridges seems a bit rough... also the slots of the jewels are shallow imho.
I have the suspect that it's a very good franken...
 
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Bozz said:
The pallet bridge is not brushed, the head of the micrometric screw is not drilled and I dont like the swan neck tail...
The finish of the bridges seems a bit rough... also the slots of the jewels are shallow imho.
I have the suspect that it's a very good franken...
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Bozz, the screw seems drilled in the last pic
But I have my doubts after reading Bozz's post and carefully seeing the last pic from loxlox. I don't like the production number engraving.
Anyway we should bear in mind it is an old H-series

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The overall movement just doesn't pop like other gen movement after seeing loxlox last movement pic head of swan neck looks gen but don't really like that tail section and pallet bridge is not brushed like bozz mentioned it. Like ale said might be gen because it is an old H series


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Yes, maybe next series have been finished better. For sure there have been changes and improvements from the J and K-series onwards.
 
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Another view:

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Thanks for all your inputs and help! Much appreciated! I'm about to go "gen" and want to ensure I'm making the right choice (price being "gen" too :) )
 
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Could be a movement with one or two china parts used but whole movement looks completely gen for me except for the pallet brushing that Bozz mentioned. However, i looked up google and h series doesnt seem to have the brushed pallet but i could be wrong. Have a look here http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=375628 . Serial engraving looks really shallow too, nearly laser etched. Caseback might have been over polished.

On a side note, funny how the old Pams' crown pin is protruding out instead of being recessed. It means Noob V3 is modelled after old Pams :p
 
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kampachi said:
Could be a movement with one or two china parts used but whole movement looks completely gen for me except for the pallet brushing that Bozz mentioned. However, i looked up google and h series doesnt seem to have the brushed pallet but i could be wrong. Have a look here http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=375628 . Serial engraving looks really shallow too, nearly laser etched. Caseback might have been over polished.

On a side note, funny how the old Pams' crown pin is protruding out instead of being recessed. It means Noob V3 is modelled after old Pams :p
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Very good points here

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kampachi said:
Could be a movement with one or two china parts used but whole movement looks completely gen for me except for the pallet brushing that Bozz mentioned. However, i looked up google and h series doesnt seem to have the brushed pallet but i could be wrong. Have a look here http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=375628 . Serial engraving looks really shallow too, nearly laser etched. Caseback might have been over polished.

On a side note, funny how the old Pams' crown pin is protruding out instead of being recessed. It means Noob V3 is modelled after old Pams :p
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are you sure its gen? because the CG pin and CG is look way off to me...
if its gen, then the QC is suck...
 
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are you sure its gen? because the CG pin and CG is look way off to me...
if its gen, then the QC is suck...
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Old pams have rounded edges for their crown guards.



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loxlox said:
Another view:

Thanks for all your inputs and help! Much appreciated! I'm about to go "gen" and want to ensure I'm making the right choice (price being "gen" too :) )
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If you are not 100% sure that is a gen, why buy it when you have a super rep available?

I understand buying gen (I have a few), but part of the experience is to know that is the "real thing". If you have questions, walk away from the deal...
 
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