Pam111 help needed

[barney_stinson]

Hello all,I have been in here for a short time and I have been reading and reading. I can't explain how much I learnt from you guys, please forgive me for my bad English. I would love to thank you all. I have decided to buy my first rep. It will be a PAM111. I had my QC photos today. Seller is not a trusted dealer but he is in my country so it would be easier for me to contact with him if I encounter with any problem. I have just one question, the seller doesn't know the version of the pam111 or the factory of it. I also don't know whether it is Noobfactory or H-Factory. Here are the photos I got. I hope you guys help me with its version and mechanism I cannot truly say whether it is 6497-1 18000 or 6497-2 21600. I appreciate your help. Thank you.

 

[chris3007]

I'am not the big expert but the case back looks wrong too me.
100m waterproof? Should be 300m. Here is my noob v3 for comparison

Sent from my iPhone 6

 

[barney_stinson]

thanks a lot chris. so it seems it is 200 meters short It is not a very big dial for me, I am very curious about the movement.

 

[kilowattore]

OFFICINE PANERAI is engraved on noob movement, it's a sticker on the one you're showing.

My biggest concern though is the dial having wrong shaped numbers, bad lume color and wrong inscriptions color.
Moreover the CG looks polished and should be brushed.

Sorry but I would not waste my money on this one.
May ask what is the price of this rep from your dealer?

 

[barney_stinson]

Thanks a lot for your kind reply kilowattore. It is 95 $. Can you please give any details about the movement if it is possible?

 

[kilowattore]

Movement looks like an older a6497, but I can't say much else...
95 is a very cheap price, at least you're not being scammed.
It still is thrown away money imho, you will find yourself wanting a better one in no time and you might find it difficult to resell this one.
Just my 0.02

 

[barney_stinson]

Kilowattore, Thank you so much again for your reply, believe me your imho is very important for me. And about the movement I want to say one thing. I have another friend who bought that watch before I did. He has an application called "Tickoprint" Of course I am not sure whether it is reliable like a real timegrapher, but when he put his mobile phone mic on the backcase of that watch we both see it says "-3s/d 21600 bph "

 

[kilowattore]

I'm not surprised, it's an a6497 manual wind movement, not a super cheap 21j.
21600 bph is correct and -3 seconds per day is good.
The movement itself will probably keep good time and be reliable reagrdless it's accuracy.
The problem is the visual accuracy but, again, if it does not bother you...

 

[barney_stinson]

Well at least the movement is good. thank you again kilowattore.

 

[ALE7575]

Kilowattore is right

This is an old and cheap rep, dial is completely wrong, caseback, crown guard, crown and caseback are completely wrong. I cannot see the case and crystal but I don't expect great quality.
Movement seems an old Asian 6497 21.600, reliable but inaccurate in general in relation with new versions. Inscription are really wrong
You cannot expect better for the price.
Price is the only good thing of this watch
If you are looking for price, this is your watch
If you want good quality of rep, get away from this purchase, as rep it is horrible

Buy a PAM 111 Noob V3

ALE

 

[barney_stinson]

Ale, thank you so much for your reply. It is also an honor for me to have a feedback from a pam-master like you.

 

[ALE7575]

Ale, thank you so much for your reply. It is also an honor for me to have a feedback from a pam-master like you.

Thanks
You are welcome
ALE