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PAM048 comparo -- GEN vs. REP

hooligan

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Alright, here is a quick comparison of my wife's rep PAM048 sourced from Ruby and her 2nd-hand gen H series that we just got over the weekend. The gen is the one with the dark brown DON calf strap, the rep is sporting a Micah/Vintager "Gobi" strap.

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So, here you can clearly see the difference in the date font and date magnification between the gen and the rep. The crown/CG of the rep are actually quite accurate, except that her gen is an H series so it has the newer style CG with the curved top (shown in a picture below). The CG lever on the rep is also a little thinner and stick out from the case *just* a bit more than the gen. The font on the rep is a bit too big and the indices are thicker on the rep than on the gen. The cross bars on the "A"s are a bit lower on the rep, but not as low as we've seen on some other rep dials. Other than the date issues, you'd be hard pressed to spot these differences if they weren't side by side, though.


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You can see the difference in the CG shapes here. Keep in mind that the 048 rep is a C series, so the shapes *should* be different. Also notice the small differences in the size and shape of the lugs as well as the difference in the location of the lug screw holes.


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Not much else to talk about here -- the rep bezel appears to be a bit taller than the gen bezel. Again, these are different series, and knowing Panerai, it's entirely possible that genuine C series watches had taller bezels than gen H series, but I don't know that for certain. Regardless the difference is minimal.


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Sorry for the blurry pic here. But notice that the gen caseback engraving is a slightly different size and closer to the edge of the flat part of the case back. As expected, the engraving on the back of the gen is deeper/better/cleaner than the rep case back.


So, in summary, the 048 rep is a VERY close representation of the gen. The AR is lacking on the rep and the date wheel and date mag needs to be modified, as well as a relume. If you do those things, you would have a rep that is VERY, VERY difficult to distinguish from the genuine. The A7750 isn't even much louder than the gen! Although the gen winds much smoother, as expected. :wink:
 

babola

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Very nice H,
how about lume comparo shot :p

Your wife must be over the moon now :wink:

babola
 

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Thanks for the great comparo. This is the kind of careful scrutiny that allows us newbies to eventually know what we are dealing with. I still can't get over the accuracy of the reps versus the gens. I wonder if it is easier to rep something that is stylistically simple, like the PAMs, or something more visualy complex like a Breitling. I can see it either way. Simpler should be easier, but any fault will then be more glaring.....
 

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Gratulation on the purchase, really nice piece!

Has the real one single sided AR ?
 

hooligan

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Yes, the gen has AR. All PAMs are single sided AR to my knowledge.
 

taiji

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Hi,

You are right. The PAM050 or PAM048 rep are one of the most accurate made rep ever.

I had mine modded

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Mod needed are

- single coated AR
- lume work
 

babola

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Just an observation re thickness of numerals and dial indices. It appears that the slightly thicker print is correct for early series PAM048, and the C-series rep of yours certainly falls into that category.

Have a look at this one currently offered for sale on eBay;
http://cgi.ebay.com/Panerai-Pam-48_W0QQ ... p1638.m122

So your and Taiji's 048 reps are spot on in that reguard. Also this resonates once again Taiji's statement that the 048 40mm Pam reps are one of the closest to gen ever made.

As you mentioned, the only consistency about Officine Panerai watches is their inconsistency :)

cheers,
babola


EDIT: My wife now wants one - badly !!!
 

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Hey hooligan is the the old version 048 or a newer one? The GF wants a PAM since I have 16 now and shes used to seeing them all the time. In fact I've already bought a couple straps for her.
 

babola

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TA8088 said:
Hey hooligan is the the old version 048 or a newer one? The GF wants a PAM since I have 16 now and shes used to seeing them all the time. In fact I've already bought a couple straps for her.

Gonna have to look elsewhere...this baby is mine :) ...err...my wife's :wink:

Yup, it's the good version, A7750 hi beat 28.8kbph, CDG decorated mov't bridges and rotor, engraved rotor with blue Officine Panerai, nice respectable lume, 1:1 CG and crown, perfect sharp finish around the lugs, all correct caseback engravings etc...

Even the date isn't that bad. When I received it I was blown away, the whole watch oozes with quality and excellent finish, it leaves those historic PAM reps in the dust :-( Shame it's 40mm, if it was 44 I'd be all over it. Not sure if the latest PAM104 is close to this one, if it was - I'd be really tempted.

I agree with Taiji, this one is definitely a 'super rep'.

babola
 

hooligan

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TA8088 said:
Hey hooligan is the the old version 048 or a newer one? The GF wants a PAM since I have 16 now and shes used to seeing them all the time. In fact I've already bought a couple straps for her.

This has to be a newer one, as I just sourced it from Ruby in November.



I couldn't agree with babola more, that is one fantastic rep.
 

rbj69

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Hi , what color is the ar coating on your genuine, most i have seen have the purplish hue to them but i havent seen the smaller sized ones, i am thinking of grabbing one for the wifey , also i bet u can get the older thicker crown guard reps that were even on both sides of the lever and make that curved shape on the top fairly easily , thanks for your informative post

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hooligan

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Hey, Joe. The AR on Tracie's gen is deffo blue-ish. Not very pronounced or effective, but it's there and it's blue. :wink: Nothing like her Superocean Heritage 38mm. Breitling's AR is nuts!
 

rbj69

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Hi, yeah i hear some of there newer stuff is coming out blue, i havent seen any yet but i have seen the purplish colored ones , i guess they cant make up there minds , lmao

thanks for the info.

joe