PAM with white dial? (PAM1499)

[pf78]

Hi, been looking for a pam with white dial and i came across the pam1499, ive used the search function and ive found no proper/pictoral review of the watch.

Is there any quality white dial'd pams out there?(in stock)


Cheers
Jeffrey


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[phdsjain]

There are a few white-dial PAMs out there now. What made you narrow down to the 1499?

 

[pf78]

There are a few white-dial PAMs out there now. What made you narrow down to the 1499?

dial size, lume and sub-dial is what 1499 attracts me


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[phdsjain]

The 1499 has three variants:
ZF
KW/ V6F v1
KW/ V6F v2
Go for the KW/ V6F v2 which has the updated case with better lug shape and thinner case as per Gen. Other variants have incorrect case thickness (18.5mm)
There's also the 1523 which has a 42mm case with the same dial design.

Other white dial PAMs you can go for are:
1. 113 - Hfac has very recently updated it.
2. 561/ 563 - KW/V6F special promotion models. First class rep bordering lower status. Toro has them for $129. Also 44mm Luminor case.

 

[phdsjain]

PAM561:

PAM563:

 

[pf78]

The 1499 has three variants:
ZF
KW/ V6F v1
KW/ V6F v2
Go for the KW/ V6F v2 which has the updated case with better lug shape and thinner case as per Gen. Other variants have incorrect case thickness (18.5mm)
There's also the 1523 which has a 42mm case with the same dial design.

Other white dial PAMs you can go for are:
1. 113 - Hfac has very recently updated it.
2. 561/ 563 - KW/V6F special promotion models. First class rep bordering lower status. Toro has them for $129. Also 44mm Luminor case.

thats very comprehensive!! thanks brother for the prompt reply

just spoke to my td and he recommended pam499 from VSF, is it a good rep?


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[phdsjain]

The PAM499 was introduced just ten days ago by VSF.
VSF, a spin-off of KW/ V6F makes high quality PAMs. It's an excellent choice.

In all honesty if you are only trying out the look of a white-dial Panerai, it looks very similar to the PAM563 I have just shared an image of; suddenly makes a lot of sense for $129 vs S308 for a 499.

But if you want the highest quality rep, then go for the VSF 499 followed by V6F v2 1499 (blue seconds hand, vintage color lume, much thinner case) as I am sure rep factories have vastly improved their quality in the 2-3 years since the release of the 561/563.

 

[pf78]

The PAM499 was introduced just ten days ago by VSF.
VSF, a spin-off of KW/ V6F makes high quality PAMs. It's an excellent choice.

In all honesty if you are only trying out the look of a white-dial Panerai, it looks very similar to the PAM563 I have just shared an image of; suddenly makes a lot of sense for $129 vs S308 for a 499.

But if you want the highest quality rep, then go for the VSF 499 followed by V6F v2 1499 (blue seconds hand, vintage color lume, much thinner case) as I am sure rep factories have vastly improved their quality in the 2-3 years since the release of the 561/563.

seems like the 1499 v2 is out of production, the 561 is very interesting but i cant find any review on rwi(again)...


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[phdsjain]

seems like the 1499 v2 is out of production, the 561 is very interesting but i cant find any review on rwi(again)...

FInd another TD. It's a new model I see no reason why the 1499 v2 shouldn't be available.

There is a review on the 563 by @kilowattore . The 561 is the same watch with cleaner text on the dial and absent seconds subdial.

 

[kilowattore]

Afaik there should be a recent 561 release from ZF with correct case thickness. All KW versions like my 563, although nice, had wrong case.

 

[pf78]

Afaik there should be a recent 561 release from ZF with correct case thickness. All KW versions like my 563, although nice, had wrong case.

you mean wrong thickness or simply the wrong case?



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[phdsjain]

you mean wrong thickness or simply the wrong case?



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The case thickness on these handwound ones was off by hair, ~0.3mm.

 

[pf78]

The case thickness on these handwound ones was off by hair, ~0.3mm.

i see, just a hair of difference..
another dealer said he can source me a kw785 at around 200usd, should i pull the trigger? i think its suits my liking but im not sure whether its a good rep

 

[mysterio]

Afaik there should be a recent 561 release from ZF with correct case thickness. All KW versions like my 563, although nice, had wrong case.

I can't seem to find a PAM561 from ZF on the TDs I've tried, but there is a PAM563 which ZF released last year:
https://puretime03.com/pam563-p-zf-...e-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-p5000-clone.html

i see, just a hair of difference..
another dealer said he can source me a kw785 at around 200usd, should i pull the trigger? i think its suits my liking but im not sure whether its a good rep

It all comes down to what you are willing to accept. The ones that have been mentioned before are good reps, they are not super reps but they are good reps. The PAM602 (or what some TDs call the white PAM785) from KW is also a good rep. It has a better dial compared to the DSN version, but the hands are not correct (KW uses a modern hand set, DSN uses the correct Pre-V hand set). Here's the review I did on the DSN PAM785 set.

https://forum.replica-watch.info/th...e-davidsen-pam-785-luminor-8-days-set.208959/

 

[kilowattore]

I can't seem to find a PAM561 from ZF on the TDs I've tried, but there is a PAM563 which ZF released last year:
https://puretime03.com/pam563-p-zf-...e-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-p5000-clone.html



It all comes down to what you are willing to accept. The ones that have been mentioned before are good reps, they are not super reps but they are good reps. The PAM602 (or what some TDs call the white PAM785) from KW is also a good rep. It has a better dial compared to the DSN version, but the hands are not correct (KW uses a modern hand set, DSN uses the correct Pre-V hand set). Here's the review I did on the DSN PAM785 set.

https://forum.replica-watch.info/th...e-davidsen-pam-785-luminor-8-days-set.208959/

My mistake, it was PAM510
https://puretime03.com/pam510-p-zf-11-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-p5000-clone.html

 

[kilowattore]

you mean wrong thickness or simply the wrong case?



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Different thickness, different bezel, different lugs. There was a comparison post by ALE when the gen 8 days line was released but I can't seem to find it now.

 

[mysterio]

Different thickness, different bezel, different lugs. There was a comparison post by ALE when the gen 8 days line was released but I can't seem to find it now.

Was it this thread?
https://forum.replica-watch.info/th...am511-little-review-nobody-is-perfect.170562/

 

[pf78]

currently im looking at:
pam561 from kw (toro has it on sale)
pam499 from vsf
pam1499 from kw
pam785 from kw
pam563 from zf

pretty much narrowed down between the above, which of the above has got more points for a super-rep?


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[pf78]

my personal preference is a white dial 44mm luminor pam with a subdial, date doesnt really matter to me

and there are so many similar models


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Just ordered this from David Sen


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