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PAM Strap help, please

tootall

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To all you strap fanatics (and not so fanatic too) I need some help please. I am trying to make my own strap, and I know I may be gettin a bit anal about this, but I want to have layers of leather. IE; a vintage looking top with a soft lambskin liner. However, I am not quite sure how this accomplished. What I am requesting is if you could please, please, take some close up pictures of the sides of the strap where the lugs are so that I could see how these different layers are attached. It seems that there are 2 to 3 different layers and the top layer is wrapped around the lug, then connected somehow to the bottom layer of the strap. But I couldn't find any pictures showing the sides of the watch around the lug. The problem with this layer method is that if you were to wrap the top layer around the lug and not skive the leather it would be waaay to fat. So I am not sure exactly how it is done. Any help is GREATLY appreciated. If I am just talking crazy please let me know that as well. I may just have to end up buying one these straps and taking it apart to find out the correct method for this.

I have included a few pictures to show what I am talking about.




 

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tootall said:
To all you strap fanatics (and not so fanatic too) I need some help please. I am trying to make my own strap, and I know I may be gettin a bit anal about this, but I want to have layers of leather. IE; a vintage looking top with a soft lambskin liner. However, I am not quite sure how this accomplished. What I am requesting is if you could please, please, take some close up pictures of the sides of the strap where the lugs are so that I could see how these different layers are attached. It seems that there are 2 to 3 different layers and the top layer is wrapped around the lug, then connected somehow to the bottom layer of the strap. But I couldn't find any pictures showing the sides of the watch around the lug. The problem with this layer method is that if you were to wrap the top layer around the lug and not skive the leather it would be waaay to fat. So I am not sure exactly how it is done. Any help is GREATLY appreciated. If I am just talking crazy please let me know that as well. I may just have to end up buying one these straps and taking it apart to find out the correct method for this.

I have included a few pictures to show what I am talking about.





http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13344

Does this help?

Joe
 

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JOEJOEJOE, thank you but no that doesn't help. I have read that one and the one at RWG. Neither one of them deal with layering. They are one solid piece that has been wrapped around to double it. If you look at the pictures I presented, you will see what I mean by that tutorial being a solid piece and the layered strap being sliced.
 

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Can anyone please help with some photos? [smilie=sad1.gif]
 

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Hello:

What they do is basically what you saw on the Gunscrossed tutorial. However there is a center piece sandwiched for thickness.

Now if you are saying you want suede on the inside and bridle leather facing on the outside, then yes, you make the smooth bridle leather piece long enough to fold over and form the loop, and the edge is skivved or beveled.

Then you put the backing or lining piece, skivved or beveled at an opposite angle so that they overlap each other and form a flat surface (think miter joint). You use contact adhesive to hold it all together while it is stitched.

There will be a seam in back where two styles of leather meet.


Hope this helps?

CISO
 

tootall

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CISO1969, yes that helps. The basic concept you described is exactly what I was thinking.

I just wanted to get some close up pictures, if I could, to see 'where' this skive begins. Also to show 'where' the liner piece is butted up against the lug.

I just need some pictures!!! :D Come on guys, I have seen some beautiful straps on here. Please help me out by taking a couple pics of the leather wrapping around on the lug, side shots too. Thanks :)
 

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bump. I still some pictures please!! :(
 

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You're overthinking this. As long as the strap is going to be stitched, it doesn't matter THAT much how the joint is done. You can even do a straight butt joint if you don't feel like messing with the bevel. The stitching will keep it together.

As far as a beveled/skivved joint, you just decide where you want it to be and then leave a 1/2 inch or so on each end to bevel down. You can use as many, or as few, layers as you want on the inside to make it the thickness you desire.

Use contact cement and glue everything together like it needs to be for the final product (leaving some extra width so that you can make nice clean cuts later). Clamp it for a couple of hours and then start stitching.

A word of warning. Using very soft leather seems like a good idea, but sometimes it's not in practice. When stitched, some of the soft garment-type leather tends to wrinkle at the edges when the strap is being worn. I made one strap with soft leather on the top and bottom and a piece of stiffer leather sandwiched in between. It's nice and the thickness is just right. But, it does have that wrinkling problem on the edges.

If you use thick leather, mark where your tubes are going to be located (i.e for the two attachment points for the case and the one attachment for the buckle) and then skiv down a little section where the leather will be folded over. Otherwise it will be too thick to get attached to the watch case.

Finally, just get some scrap leather and play around. You won't need any pictures or tutorials once you start actually doing it.