pam movements?

[mattsheehan]

Which of these three is the better of these movements. Struggling to decide what watch i want . I know it is a pam. either a 111h or 177h. but ive heard bad things about the 177h case. not very accurate apparently. what about the 111h.

Asian Unitas 17 J Manual Handwind movement
Asian dagger swan neck unitas 6497 movement at 21600 vph
swiss dagger swan neck unitas 6497 movement at 17800 vph

I presume the difference between the latter two is obvious but is it really that much better. I was led to believe that all movements in replica watches are asian irrelevant of what websites claim.

Also what does ''vph'' mean.

What would be the most popular choice out of these three.

 

[todaystheday]

vibrations per hour determines how fast a watch beats

 

[mattsheehan]

so that means the swiss beats slower. Is that more like the gen then. apart from that are they the same.

 

[sashimi916x]

Anyone know who sells the Asian dagger swan neck (just the movement)? I am looking to upgrade.

 

[mattsheehan]

Puretime are doing the asain swann neck for 218 dollars and the swiss version for 298.

But from what I've read people don't believe the swiss version to be any better.

Replica make are selling the 111h with the first movement out the three in the original post for 118. But it can't be that good for that cheap surely. Can it ?. I don't know and trying to find out before lay sends me it.

Puretime are doing the asain swann neck for 218 dollars and the swiss version for 298.

But from what I've read people don't believe the swiss version to be any better.

Replica make are selling the 111h with the first movement out the three in the original post for 118. But it can't be that good for that cheap surely. Can it ?. I don't know and trying to find out before lay sends me it.

Puretime are doing the asain swann neck for 218 dollars and the swiss version for 298.

But from what I've read people don't believe the swiss version to be any better.

Replica make are selling the 111h with the first movement out the three in the original post for 118. But it can't be that good for that cheap surely. Can it ?. I don't know and trying to find out before lay sends me it.

Don't know why its done that twice.

 

[Wiz]

Puretime are doing the asain swann neck for 218 dollars and the swiss version for 298.

But from what I've read people don't believe the swiss version to be any better.

Replica make are selling the 111h with the first movement out the three in the original post for 118. But it can't be that good for that cheap surely. Can it ?. I don't know and trying to find out before lay sends me it.

Puretime are doing the asain swann neck for 218 dollars and the swiss version for 298.

But from what I've read people don't believe the swiss version to be any better.

Replica make are selling the 111h with the first movement out the three in the original post for 118. But it can't be that good for that cheap surely. Can it ?. I don't know and trying to find out before lay sends me it.

Puretime are doing the asain swann neck for 218 dollars and the swiss version for 298.

But from what I've read people don't believe the swiss version to be any better.

Replica make are selling the 111h with the first movement out the three in the original post for 118. But it can't be that good for that cheap surely. Can it ?. I don't know and trying to find out before lay sends me it.

The swiss version is still better than the asian, BUT when a movement is assembled in a dusty appartment by a noob watchmaker, it doesn't really matter if the parts are swiss or asian.

Once properly serviced, 99% of the time, the swiss will be more accurate, have a greater power reserve, and be less noisy.

That of course if you're really getting a swiss movement

 

[hooligan]

so that means the swiss beats slower. Is that more like the gen then. apart from that are they the same.

Nope, actually the higher beat Asian movement is closer to gen, both in function (vph) and visually.

 

[mattsheehan]

Getting a headache. So many different versions. so many different prices. nothing seems to make sense.

All extremely interesting though. Suppose if it was simple it would also be boring.

 

[hooligan]

The swiss version is still better than the asian, BUT when a movement is assembled in a dusty appartment by a noob watchmaker, it doesn't really matter if the parts are swiss or asian.

Once properly serviced, 99% of the time, the swiss will be more accurate, have a greater power reserve, and be less noisy.

That of course if you're really getting a swiss movement

Agreed with you on all points, except the power reserve, Wiz.

The Asian movements are clones of the 6497-2 and, when functioning properly, will have a greater power reserve than the "Swiss" movements. Around 60 hrs for the A6497 and about 42-46 hrs, IIRC, for the Swiss.


The only 100% Swiss movements are the 6497s with the squared bridges and no swan-neck. If it has the correct Panerai-specific bridge shapes and the swan-neck regulator, it is at least partly Asian. There have been tons of threads about this over the past few years.

 

[Spboudart]

Anyone know who sells the Asian dagger swan neck? I am looking to upgrade.

Jacksontse sell them very cheap. But there not branded, if it's for a close caseback it's perfect other than that check one of Francisco's tuto to add a decal.

 

[Wiz]

Agreed with you on all points, except the power reserve, Wiz.

The Asian movements are clones of the 6497-2 and, when functioning properly, will have a greater power reserve than the "Swiss" movements. Around 60 hrs for the A6497 and about 42-46 hrs, IIRC, for the Swiss.

My bad, I forgot that the Asian is a copy of the 2nd version and did a statement about asian vs swiss equivalent.

 

[jonasprivate]

Im also looking at PAM 111H with new asian dagger swan neck 21600.
With superlumed hands and dail + cannon pin fix.
Gen PAM has 21600 not 17800.

 

[mattsheehan]

So from what I can gather the Asian movement is the one to go for. Have to get in touch with lay then and cancel my order. Been waiting ages anyway due to no stock so shouldn't be a problem.

Does anybody know if he can get a Pam 111h with the good Asian movement ad he only lists the one with the cheap movement, and as no one has even mentioned that I'm presuming its not that good.

So from what I can gather the Asian movement is the one to go for. Have to get in touch with lay then and cancel my order. Been waiting ages anyway due to no stock so shouldn't be a problem.

Does anybody know if he can get a Pam 111h with the good Asian movement ad he only lists the one with the cheap movement, and as no one has even mentioned that I'm presuming its not that good.

Don't know why it keeps repeating the post.

 

[mattsheehan]

Finally got it down to one of these two.

http://www.trevortime.info/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=157_166&products_id=2037
http://www.puretimewatch.com/product/pam111h/

Any opinions or advice on which one to go for. must be people reading this who have purchased one or the other.

 

[jonasprivate]

I will buy from puretime with modofications.
I dont know if i should buy swiss 17800 + 80$ or the asian 21800.

 

[katt]

Just the movement

Anyone know who sells the Asian dagger swan neck (just the movement)? I am looking to upgrade.

Try either of these :

http://www.helenarou.com/movement.html

http://jacksontse.com/

 

[robertwood]

I just received a Pam 111h Asian swan neck from trevor. The website was iffy, emails were okay got it in 6 days to NYC. What I can tell you is that I own several Gen Rolex' s Sub TT and a GMTIIC the level of details and coming out of China is scary. The size, weight, look, feel and attention to detail is hard to imagine without holding one of these in your hand.