-
Tired of adverts on RWI? - Subscribe by clicking HERE and PMing Trailboss for instructions and they will magically go away!
PAM Chronos
- Thread starter Tim4682
- Start date
I only see one listed in the Panerai catalog as a current model, maybe the dial spacing isn't right for a cost effective movement, like the Speedmaster? Looks like a good candidate for the Cartel Daytona movement or a7750, but hard to tell without any scale.
Looks like the gen uses a modified ETA 2892 with an add-on chronograph module. Don't know if there's anything produced in China that's comparable.
perezcope.com
Looks like the gen uses a modified ETA 2892 with an add-on chronograph module. Don't know if there's anything produced in China that's comparable.
Panerai In-House Movements – A PAM Of Worms
In my most recent Instagram post, I uncovered a well-guarded secret. The new P.9200 caliber used in Panerai’s recently introduced chronograph family is a basic ETA 2892-A2 with Dubois Dépraz …
perezcope.com
Actually, a little further research shows that the PAM 308 uses a Panerai XXVI movement, which is a 7750...so a cheap superclone should be easy to do. The Chrono apparently counts down, rather than the standard way, but that can't be more than a couple gears in an add on module.
www.watch-wiki.net
Panerai calibres [Watch Wiki]
www.watch-wiki.net
- Panerai OP XXVI (2008) - Valjoux 7750-P1 base with regatta chronograph module
Yeah, given they are cloning movements for other PAM models, Im curious why they couldnt do the same for chronos. I guess this is why I am so confused. PAM chronos are so popular that it surely isnt a demand/volume problem.Actually, a little further research shows that the PAM 308 uses a Panerai XXVI movement, which is a 7750...so a cheap superclone should be easy to do. The Chrono apparently counts down, rather than the standard way, but that can't be more than a couple gears in an add on module.
Panerai calibres [Watch Wiki]
- Panerai OP XXVI (2008) - Valjoux 7750-P1 base with regatta chronograph module
As far as current PAM chronos there are a bunch: 1218,1109,11110,1519,1409,1299, 670, etc. all in the link below to the PAM site.
Hello!
The discussion seems classic, but it makes sense to repeat it all.
Of course, there was a period in which factories produced quite a few chronographs of better quality, and this was primarily due to the fact that at that time Panerai mainly used ETA calibers with modifications, for which there were direct analogues, such as those made in China, and Swiss, thanks to which we saw almost all models based on ETA 7753, which maximally replicated all models on OP.XII, and even slightly more complex models with OP.XIX, OP.XVIII, but, for example, it was not possible to fully make older 40mm models, with calibers based on Zenith, for example OP.VI.
In addition, there were HW chronographs, both two and three registers, such as OP.XVI in PAM192, where the only approximately similar ST19 were used.
By and large, further, the rep world did not offer anything other than 7750 models with register movement, or without a machine, for use as HW, and also 7753 with optimization for two registers, such as PAM288 HF, where when servicing, it was easy to find the date disc under the dial.
Meanwhile, PANERAI made a series of 8 day chronographs and in-house monopulsants and even rattrapante, based on the P.2××× family.
Then all these models were considered complex, and for obvious reasons were not repeated in decent quality, especially since classic chronographs already won hearts.
In the next stage, flyback chronographs were made in the P.9××× family, in particular the P.9100, which was used in many places, and its modification P.9100/P for the regatta function.
This time, the problem was that the reset and start buttons were on the opposite side from the crown. This is a manufactured movt., it was originally designed this way, but the rep 7750/7753 and ST19 are integrated, have no modules, and nothing can be done, so there have always only been cheap quartz versions of such models.
Finally, with the advent of P.9200, about which, due to the corrosiveness of some bloggers, there is a lot of information on the Internet,There is no unnecessary problem in reproducing the functions, but the problem of the buttons on the opposite side of the crown has not gone away.
How can we know from PAM027 and relatives, PAM023 or some AP ROO, in the rep world there are no 2892/3 options with working modules, and therefore you have to use either SWISS or adjust the dimensions and functionality.
So, either you need a rep ETA, on this basis, and repeat the P.9200 today (Or you can also have the P.9100 model, albeit with limited functionality), and there, without a module, judging by the thickness, there may be adequate replacements for P.900 models,or make a clone.
In fact, in the PANERAI world we have only one clone of P.9000 with a modification for P.9001 and several modifications based on ST2555, for P.2002 models without functions, and some others. Also, 3 days on HW for P.3000/5000. This is all. And this was done many years ago, during one of the brightest and most active periods of customer interest in the brand.
In such cases, I give the example of AP ROO, and how many of them are bought, without a clone, although I am sure that this collection alone sold more than all rep PANERAI combined. When NOOB made a clone for Daytona, he literally hid all his other projects, because this demand, after so many years, blocked everything.
There are not many PANERAI chronographs on the P.9200, they have not been around for very long, they are not so popular, and to be honest, the brand itself as a whole is not so interesting to most people now.
If P.9200 had other manifestations in some other brands, and factories could apply it to a lot of models - perhaps, but for now, this is too niche a phenomenon to create a clone. Therefore, you just have to be content with what you have.
The discussion seems classic, but it makes sense to repeat it all.
Of course, there was a period in which factories produced quite a few chronographs of better quality, and this was primarily due to the fact that at that time Panerai mainly used ETA calibers with modifications, for which there were direct analogues, such as those made in China, and Swiss, thanks to which we saw almost all models based on ETA 7753, which maximally replicated all models on OP.XII, and even slightly more complex models with OP.XIX, OP.XVIII, but, for example, it was not possible to fully make older 40mm models, with calibers based on Zenith, for example OP.VI.
In addition, there were HW chronographs, both two and three registers, such as OP.XVI in PAM192, where the only approximately similar ST19 were used.
By and large, further, the rep world did not offer anything other than 7750 models with register movement, or without a machine, for use as HW, and also 7753 with optimization for two registers, such as PAM288 HF, where when servicing, it was easy to find the date disc under the dial.
Meanwhile, PANERAI made a series of 8 day chronographs and in-house monopulsants and even rattrapante, based on the P.2××× family.
Then all these models were considered complex, and for obvious reasons were not repeated in decent quality, especially since classic chronographs already won hearts.
In the next stage, flyback chronographs were made in the P.9××× family, in particular the P.9100, which was used in many places, and its modification P.9100/P for the regatta function.
This time, the problem was that the reset and start buttons were on the opposite side from the crown. This is a manufactured movt., it was originally designed this way, but the rep 7750/7753 and ST19 are integrated, have no modules, and nothing can be done, so there have always only been cheap quartz versions of such models.
Finally, with the advent of P.9200, about which, due to the corrosiveness of some bloggers, there is a lot of information on the Internet,There is no unnecessary problem in reproducing the functions, but the problem of the buttons on the opposite side of the crown has not gone away.
How can we know from PAM027 and relatives, PAM023 or some AP ROO, in the rep world there are no 2892/3 options with working modules, and therefore you have to use either SWISS or adjust the dimensions and functionality.
So, either you need a rep ETA, on this basis, and repeat the P.9200 today (Or you can also have the P.9100 model, albeit with limited functionality), and there, without a module, judging by the thickness, there may be adequate replacements for P.900 models,or make a clone.
In fact, in the PANERAI world we have only one clone of P.9000 with a modification for P.9001 and several modifications based on ST2555, for P.2002 models without functions, and some others. Also, 3 days on HW for P.3000/5000. This is all. And this was done many years ago, during one of the brightest and most active periods of customer interest in the brand.
In such cases, I give the example of AP ROO, and how many of them are bought, without a clone, although I am sure that this collection alone sold more than all rep PANERAI combined. When NOOB made a clone for Daytona, he literally hid all his other projects, because this demand, after so many years, blocked everything.
There are not many PANERAI chronographs on the P.9200, they have not been around for very long, they are not so popular, and to be honest, the brand itself as a whole is not so interesting to most people now.
If P.9200 had other manifestations in some other brands, and factories could apply it to a lot of models - perhaps, but for now, this is too niche a phenomenon to create a clone. Therefore, you just have to be content with what you have.
Would the p9200 be that hard to rep? It's a 2892 with a dubois depraz chrono module on top. Swiss versions can be had for $500...
- 25/9/22
- 5,989
- 16,284
- 113
It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of business. Sorry to say but Panerai is not popular anymore and to make a new movement tooling would cost far more than any replica would sell to make back the money. Even in the peak heyday of Panerai here they didn't bother to clone such movements, so why would they bother cloning it now when Panerai sales are no longer what it used to be?
In addition to the waning popularity of Panerai as a make in general, and their questionable decisions in regard to shrinking in size and models in particular, chronos are complicated devices and the chance of problems with the movement are much higher, and that keeps demand for replicas especially down.
I try to stay clear of chronos in general, and from 7750s in particular, just don't use them on a watch. So it's all for looks, and you can only hope it works and resets if you show your chrono to a friend, but it's just not worth it to many people, myself included. If you knew what it cost to serve a GEN Daytona or Speedmaster, you'd be cautious with chronos as well.
I love the old ETAs, I can live with Sellitas and Miyotas and Seikos, but the Chinese closes of complicated in-house movements are like ticking time bombs.
I try to stay clear of chronos in general, and from 7750s in particular, just don't use them on a watch. So it's all for looks, and you can only hope it works and resets if you show your chrono to a friend, but it's just not worth it to many people, myself included. If you knew what it cost to serve a GEN Daytona or Speedmaster, you'd be cautious with chronos as well.
I love the old ETAs, I can live with Sellitas and Miyotas and Seikos, but the Chinese closes of complicated in-house movements are like ticking time bombs.
- 25/9/22
- 5,989
- 16,284
- 113
Bye-Bye Panerai – How Stallone Got Sick Of The Brand
In the world of watches, Sylvester Stallone is synonymous with Panerai. For many of the hardcore Panerai fans, their first encounter with mechanical timepieces was through the action star. They wea…
perezcope.com
This is a good read, and I agree with you. Panerai shot themselves in the foot multiple times. They rode the trend really well but forgot that trends are trends and when it passes you still need to cater to your loyal customer base and get back to basics. Instead they double downed and we have the result today.