PAM 571P KW vs ZFac

[mx974717]

Hi group, I'm looking to get a PAM 571P. There are two versions of it, KW and Z Factory, but I haven't seen any comparisons. Can anyone help?

Thank you.

 

[PAM1983]

Bezel edge is different. color of date numbers different/the dial has a different color of lettering too. Other than that I see nothing else. Get the KW it more accurate imo.

 

[gionaidas]

Both are good rep , check ale posts !

Hi group, I'm looking to get a PAM 571P. There are two versions of it, KW and Z Factory, but I haven't seen any comparisons. Can anyone help?

Thank you.

 

[gionaidas]

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP bordering lower status (A7750 versions) (with some restrictions due to inaccurate movement, read all comments and below Review)
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP high level (ZFac Q w/ decorated ZP9000-V2)
The PAM 305 has the same structure as a PAM 382 Bronzo, but 305 Case&Bezel are made of Titanium (the Case&Bezel of the gen PAM 382 are made of real Bronze), with unidirectional bezel Egiziano style, skeleton hands, automatic movement, small seconds @9 and a date window @3 without Cyclops.
Pictorial review of the gen PAM 305 here:
http://mob.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost.classic/fi-717/pi-3521981/ti-568791/s-0/
They are with the new 2011 PAM 371 the only (and unusual) Submersible with a Display caseback which allows seeing the beautiful and special Panerai “Manifattura” movement P.9000.

There is a cheap and inaccurate versions fitted with Asian 23J movement and mineral crystal without AR. No interesting replica

January 2012- PAM 305 L-series A7750 low beat versions made of real Titanium are released.
Since gen has “Manifattura” movement P.9000. and features display caseback, for the rep it is impossible to be close completely to the gen with such Display caseback. Please bear in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy.
The construction quality of this rep is good, even is a good attempt made of rel Titanium, but the display caseback denounces an inaccurate rep movement, and has some little flaws, like bezel that wiggles a little (the gen is not completely solid either). Read below the complete review by Hidden Impact. For these reason we must say that it is a First Class rep bordering a lower status, but always bearing in mind this accuracy matter and flaws, because many people cannot live with such flaws.
You can see pics and complete review in:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=94114 by Hidden impact
Pictorial with some mods here:
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=170354 by RG’s PLOPROFCOMEX


September 2014- ZFac released a rep PAM 305 Q-series made of real Titanium and with an excellent quality. This version presents a very new feature because it is fitted with a new decorated movement called ZP9000-V2, still based in A7750 (therefore with balance wheel still @11 instead of @7) but with non inverted layout due to a technical trick. Maker has reduced the Balance cock to a simple bar making it almost non visible under the regulation device and false escapement wheel. Then maker has used a false decoration of balance cock in the same orientation as gen has. In this way the movement main bridges can get a layout similar to the gen watch, with bridges inscriptions placed in correct orientation. Regarding inscriptions accuracy of position it is impossible because, as above said, rep balance wheel is placed @11, then all inscriptions are displaced due to that. Obviously this movement is more accurate than previous versions, but the new false decoration of balance cock is the same as before but with correct orientation, being the shape completely inaccurate as happened with the inverted version. Due to the characteristics of A7750 the bridges around the Balance wheel are much less open than gen and the rep Balance wheel “hole” is much smaller than gen, whereas rep balance wheel is really bigger than gen. All that produces a weird effect that makes this movement almost as inaccurate as previous versions.
Bellow is showed New movement ZP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. Pic at the center shows the movement in the same alignment (see the crowns). The Pic at the right side shows the rep movement rotated to match the position of the gen balance wheel

GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED ZFac ZP9000-V2
Center- WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION
Right side-WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different position (Right side)

As you can see in above pic, everything is placed in the same orientation but in different position from gen and the balance wheel zone seems very different. Those differences are the same in previous inverted versions but you cannot expect much improvement from the new decorated movement ZP9000-V2, leaving aside the correct layout and the correct orientation of the inscriptions.
We have to say that the new ZP9000-V2 has very nice inscriptions, even in the rotor, with thin fonts, sharp and well defined and in my opinion clearly better than previous versions either from ZFac or KW. Then, at least, this is a nice improvement.
We would need to know in the future if the weakening of the real balance cock, being reduced to a bar, will affect the correct working of the movement, since this bridge is the main support of the balance wheel. So, this matter remains pending future evaluations.
The most important is that this version presents a lot of improvements regarding the rest of the watch. This is a replica with pretentions and made to get accuracy and good finish.
DIAL- Markers either stick or dots have thinner contours and are more flat, like gen. Inscriptions are also better and date wheel fonts and colour. Lume is stronger and with good greenish colour
HANDS and CP- Hands are accurate but the lune is a bit more white than markers. CP is way better than previous versions which were fitted with a polished cup making the CP really big. In this version the diamtere is correct but the CP is ZFac type with the raised fim around the CP. Anyway much more accurate than previous CP.
CRYSTAL- also improved
BEZEL- Overall better finsh. Clearly improved markers either metallic or painted with more accurate fonts, although first black bezel minute marker start a bit far from the pearl in comparison with the gen. Pearl is much better more flat and with better colour, pearl rim is much better but still a bit rounded. The main flaw is the bezel knurling, as happened in ZFac PAM 389, it seems inconsistent and with bad finish with inaccurate shape of horizontal and vertical sections and, as always, the upper external polished edge is smaller than gen. This knurling is clearly worse than the PAM 364 Noob bezel knurling.
CASE- Overalll better finsh. The lugs and cushion shape are very improved and now they are just like gen
CG- The CG is overall better, in shape and finsh, engravings, chamfered edges are visible but not as nice and big as gen has. Lever, lever tip, roller, CG pin and fitting with the CG are really improved.
CASEBACK- Engravings are sharper and deeper and more accurate

Due to above mentioned about new V2 decorated movement, this new feature doesn’t allow an upgrading of the evaluation, but the rest of the watch is clearly improved. IMO in September 2014 without PAM 364 Noob in the market, ZFac PAM 305 had been a very good option. From the release of PAM 364 Noob, this new ZFac rep has lost a lot of interest. So, we can evaluate this rep as First Class rep high level just a bit better than ZFac PAM 389. Always pending future information about the working of the new V2 movement
More info here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=194759 by pm-guy
http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=86337 by baxter
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=195385 by stevensegol91

REPLICA links:
(*)http://pure-time.com/product/pam305-q-titanium-zf-11-best-edition-on-black-rubber-strap-zp9000-v2/ ZFac Q w/ decorated ZP9000-V2
http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam305-ss-black-dial-on-brown-leather-strap-a23j/ PAM305 SS 23J
(*)http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam305-l-11-best-edition-a7750-final/ A7750 L-series Ti
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/15845-pa15845-pam305-q-titanium-zf-v2-black-dial-ru-p9000.html ZFac Q w/ decorated ZP9000-V2
(*)http://www.tswatchltd.com/11753-pa0450s-pam305-luminor-submersible-black-dial-ss-ru-asian-7750.html A7750 L-series Ti
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1227 ZFac Q w/ decorated ZP9000-V2
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/product_show.asp?P_id=3322 ZFac w/ decorated ZP9000-V2
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2307&ti= A7750 L-series Ti
(*)http://www.torobravos2014.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=pam+305&product_id=653 A7750 L-series Ti
(*)http://www.intime.co/product.php?id_product=1574 ZFac Q w/ decorated ZP9000-V2
http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&produ cts_id=9696 PAM305 SS 23J
(*)http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&produ cts_id=9149 A7750 L-series Ti
http://www.pf-818.com/0pn305m11-submersible-black-ssru-sg25j-auto-p-12481.html PAM305 SS 23J
(*)http://www.pf-818.com/pn305l01-submersible-tiru-p-11866.html A7750 L-series Ti
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_245.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=9 014&id_categoria=9002
http://mob.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost.classic/fi-717/pi-3521981/ti-568791/s-0/
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[ALE7575]

We have not yet info enough to make a decision

Usually KW has better finish, gen-like appearance and quality consistency than ZFac, but this is not a fixed rule

Below you can see all the threads published in all forums about this rep

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=246404 by Lloydpompeii
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/249166-Panerai-571 by Viper901
PAM 571 KW-V6Fac CG hole
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=253024 by Fraserrr
KW QC pics
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/251589-Panerai-571-*****-QC-pics-allowed-***** by PAM1983
PAM 571 Super rep??
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/259108-PAM-571-Super-Rep-Status by umaxim
is better ZFac than KW ??
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...lowed-*****?p=2461971&viewfull=1#post-2461971 by PAM1983

Make your own decision
ALE

 

[gionaidas]

We have not yet info enough to make a decision

Usually KW has better finish, gen-like appearance and quality consistency than ZFac, but this is not a fixed rule

Below you can see all the threads published in all forums about this rep

http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=246404 by Lloydpompeii
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/249166-Panerai-571 by Viper901
PAM 571 KW-V6Fac CG hole
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=253024 by Fraserrr
KW QC pics
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/251589-Panerai-571-*****-QC-pics-allowed-***** by PAM1983
PAM 571 Super rep??
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/259108-PAM-571-Super-Rep-Status by umaxim
is better ZFac than KW ??
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...lowed-*****?p=2461971&viewfull=1#post-2461971 by PAM1983

Make your own decision
ALE

Ale , are you the muster of Pams ? I think so !


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[mx974717]

Thanks everyone. I had looked for the 571P in ALE's guide but didn't see it mentioned. I didn't realise it shared the same case as the 305. Thanks for everyone's help.

 

[gionaidas]

Thanks everyone. I had looked for the 571P in ALE's guide but didn't see it mentioned. I didn't realise it shared the same case as the 305. Thanks for everyone's help.

All thanks to ale master !!!


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