PAM 441 Help

[Straightravage]

I'm trying to get some help on finding the best dollar value for a PAM441. I've read several posts and looked at a lot of TD sites. I love the GMT ceramic.

I think I've narrowed it down to two. It's the PAM441 version V6F or VSF.

Can anyone help steer me in the right direction. I'd like to get the most accurate version.
With that in mind, is there a more accurate version available in a similar simple style from PAM?

Thanks!!


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[mysterio]

Currently, without a review, the PAM441 from VSF is the better rep. Fit and finish wise, it is comparable to the established V6F version. However, the VSF version has the first visually accurate movement to the P.9000. If we're talking about a similar simpler style of watch, the just released PAM1359 from ZF is also looking to be a very good rep with close to gen thickness of 15.65mm and the visually accurate movement of the A7750 based P.9010 clone. It's simpler than the PAM441 because it does not have the GMT complication, which on the PAM441 is inaccurate because it's a 24-hr GMT compared to 12-hr on the gen.

 

[ALE7575]

I agree with mysterio

ALE

 

[Straightravage]

So would the Pam1359 by ZF would be the one to get? Thanks Mysterio! Any TD more highly recommended than the other? I've used toro before, might just stick with him.


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[Straightravage]

Btw, how does the noob 111 v4 compare to the above said 1359??


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[kyledinsdale]

Do you think the 441 from VSF is the best quality black/ceramic rep available?

I'm in love with the 580 but aware there's no rep out there, I must add a second PAM to start my collection, the 441 looks the business.

Thoughts guys?


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[thewatching]

I just picked up a 441 V6F on m2m as I just love it. Figured I'd wait a bit to hear more details on the VSF version, specifically curious about movement quality/reliability, but the price is great if all checks out. The 441 is a sexy beast and will fit in nicely with my 312, 111, and incoming 240.


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[Straightravage]

The more and more I look at the 1359, the more I NEED IT!!! [emoji382] just like a drug!!!!!


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[PeterRei]

441 VSF also has 24 hours GMT
So it's only the look of the movement...

 

[momoM3]

I just placed an order for the PAM441 VSF. So what I'm understanding is that the PAM441 VSF isn't considered a super rep because 1) power reserve indicator and 2) 24-hour GMT? Anything else?

Thanks to @mysterio for introducing the ZF PAM1359 as a similar and simpler piece. So with the elimination of the 2 factors that the PAM441 VSF has, would that possibly make the PAM441 ZF a super rep?

I'm getting the PAM441 VSF regardless but now I'm torn between adding the PAM1359 ZF or getting a PAM111 v4 Noob... Which is the truer rep?

BTW thanks all in forum for the phenomenal help...

 

[mysterio]

The PAM111 Noob is still better than the PAM1359 even with the updated movement. But I think without an actual P.9010 clone, this is the closest the PAM1359 will be in terms of replication. So pick whichever watch you prefer in terms of style.