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PAM 366 "Fu" GEN or replica?

Yandex

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I need help about PAM 366 "Fu", this genuine or replica? If this a replica who made it (Noob or KW or H-maker)?

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I HAVE EDITED THE PICS TO GET MORE APPROPRIATE SIZE

ALE

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Yandex

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Sorry for the big pictures
I dont know how to make the preview
I changed pictures on the links
 

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Hi Yandex
Welcome to RWI from Spain

Your links are not working!!
I have got your pics from the first post, before your edition

This watch is a replica from Noob factory. No doubts about that

To get more info and to find the links to see that, read PAM GUIDE:
"Reference PAM REVIEW-GUIDE" - Replica Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/reference-pam-review-107365?t=107365

ALE

Post your pics again and I will edit them asap
 

Yandex

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Hi Yandex
Welcome to RWI from Spain

This watch is a replica from Noob factory. No doubts about that

Could you prove your confidence?
I see the difference between my watch and Noob
 

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Could you prove your confidence?
I see the difference between my watch and Noob

First time I've seen a new member challenge ALE. :facepalm: Your watch is Noob, the "Fu" character ironically is the flaw.
 

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Could you prove your confidence?
I see the difference between my watch and Noob

Mate, what ALE does not know about Panerai, rep or gen isn't worth knowing. Trust me, he'll be right.
 

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I need help about PAM 366 "Fu", this genuine or replica? If this a replica who made it (Noob or KW or H-maker)?

MODERATOR NOTE:
I HAVE EDITED THE PICS TO GET MORE APPROPRIATE SIZE

ALE

PAM366FUNOOBYandex_zps63b79bec.jpg


PAM366FUNOOBYandex2_zps5079ae1f.jpg


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i'm always amazed by people so courageous to start a thread and ask about if it's rep or gen...i just felt this is similarly to the posting of QC pics topic.

Before you post such thread, ask yourself this question who are you buying from...? Buying from some strangers at the world wide web, or a long standing collector/dealer...i think this is utmost important, as the old saying says "Buy the seller, than the watch".

You know as days passed , and the reps are getting so close to gen. If you are buying from someone you not familiar, or a total stranger i really hope you will deal with him at your favourite watchmaker workshop or the nearest PSC in your state.

The only way to tell i afraid is not just the photos. But is to pop the case back open and check on the movement finishing under 20X loupe, tally the movement nos to the documents it came with.

Than plus you do the usual due examination of the set, always remember if such an expensive watch came without boxes and papers you know something is fishy, immediately raise you a RED flag.

Thankful to forums like this is around, and the hard work of the members contributing here to educate us on the flaws of the top reps. It certainly help us a lot, and if one day if any member were to want to buy a gen from anyone he/she would know what to look out for...

Sorry for the lengthy reply...


Best of luck Yandex

Could you prove your confidence?
I see the difference between my watch and Noob
Yandex mate, i got a haunch you already brought this watch, and please don't hold ALE responsible for commenting on your pam. They merely based on the photos you provided. Ultimately its your duty to have it check and authenticated.

I have to say for pams, ALE is one of the most experienced person at all the rep forums to comment but please take that as a reference. And no harm to send it to your nearest PSC for service check and had it authenticated for piece of mind.

:cheers:
 

Yandex

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Sorry to ALL and ALE personally
I asked the wrong question
I wanted to ask, how do you define it?
Sorry me again
Thanks all for the help me
 

ALE7575

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Thanks my dear friends, Col, mysterio and John, for your blind confidence on me
And Yandex, welcome to RWI from Spain


Forum is free, of course, but at this moment, I don't understand what are trying the OP, Yandex. Because his watch is clearly a replica, and from Noob factory.

There are, obviously, some differences between his two posts: #8 and #12

#8
"Could you prove your confidence?
I see the difference between my watch and Noob"

Here Yandex is doubting about my statement and says clearly that HE KNOWS, because he his seeing them, the differences between his watch and a Noob
But, unfortunately, he didn't explain these differences.

#12
"Sorry to ALL and ALE personally
I asked the wrong question
I wanted to ask, how do you define it?
Sorry me again
Thanks all for the help me"

Here Yandex is asking me for the differences, and say thanks (???????).

What is the correct post ??
I repeat, what are trying Yandex ??.

Anyway, I have to leave the forum at this moment, but when I come back tonight. I will publish the differences you will found between your NOOB rep and a real gen PAM 366 "FU", and even with a H maker rep. Leaving aside the differences that we would find opening the caseback.

As said by mysterio ironically chinese "FU" is the most evident.. LOL..

That future post will be interesting to be included in PAM GUIDE as a little review. Therefore, no wasted time

Please, wait some hours

ALE


BTW: I hope Yandex have not bought this watch as a gen !!
 

Yandex

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post #12 is correct. I want to understand how you could identify replica.I was said that they're gen.
 

shyreplover

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Just when I thought I was going to read some lame thread....
Couldn't wait for what's going to happen next
:popcorn:
 

thefever

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I'm curious to see the comparisons later as I was looking into this particular rep.
 

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I realize English may not be your first language but what does "attachment hand" mean? The subdial hand? The minute hand? Hour hand? The cannon pin (the thing that attaches to the minute/hour hands)? The subdial pin (the thing that attaches to the subdial hand)? Maybe it's better to put a circle around what part you are trying to point out.
 

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PAM 366 “FUâ€-Differences between GEN-Noob & H maker versions

PAM 366 “FUâ€

Differences between GEN-Noob & H maker versions


1- LOWER DIAL
In lower dial, just in L SWISS MADE L and “FU†symbol are located the most noticeable differences

L SWISS MADE L
This inscription get almost good placement in H maker replica, although it is placed a bit lower than gen. Vertical placement are correct
However Noob replica has the L SWISS MADE L placed clearly higher and closer to FU symbol. Besides Noob inscription is displaced to the left side and then starts before the FU symbol in relation to the gen and H maker replica.
See in below FIGURE following orange lines the differences in horizontal placements and with green lines you can see the differences of placement between starting of L SWISS MADE L and FU symbol. In gen and h maker L SWISS MADE L inscription and FU symbol start closer.
As you can see Yandex watch is the same as Noob replica

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“L SWISS MADE L†AND â€FU†SYMBOL COMPARISONS

“FU†SYMBOL
In beLow FIGURE you can see the differences of shape of “FU†symbols. The placement is correct in all watches.

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“FU†SYMBOL COMPARISONS

Hole “1†is smaller in Noob replicas. H maker has almost correct hole very similar to the gen
Cross shape “2†is clearly thicker in Noob version. H maker cross is more accurate but still thicker.
Frame “3†of the second character is clearly thicker in Noob rep. H maker frame is almost perfect
Stroke “4†is accurate in H maker replica but much fatter in Noob version
Angle “5†is sharper in gen and H maker, in Noob is more rounded.
Shape “6†is accurate enough in H maker, but Noob shape is completely thicker and different.
Two upper strokes under the symbol are different too in Noob and Noob symbol is overall thicker.
Of course Yandex watch is exactly the same as Noob version


2-CROWN GUARD
As you can see in the pics Noob has as usually more square inner edges and corners, but not as perfect as original ones.
The Roller support of Noob has a much more open angle than gen one. This difference was widely studied in the thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam-luminor-150417?t=150417

In below FIGURE is showed the Roller support of Yandex watch which is exactly the same as a Noob.

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ROLLER SUPPORT SHAPE of YANEX WATCH IN COMPARISON TO GEN

Therefore Yandex watch has the same Roller support as a Noob replica


3-CROWN

As already studied in above mentioned thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam-luminor-150417?t=150417
Noob crown has “fat†profil whereas H maker and mainly gen sport “slip†profil crown.
In Below figure you can see the nice “slim†profil of gen FU:

PAM366-CROWcopiar_zps5be0b0f3.jpg

GEN PAM 366 FU “SLIM†CROWN

And now in below FIGURE the “fat†crown, indicated by orange arrows, of Yandex watch, which is the same exactly as Noob crowns installed in FU models.

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YANDEX PAM 366 SIDE VIEW- CG - “FAT†CROWN - LUGS


4-LUGS SHAPE
As already studied in above mentioned thread:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam-luminor-150417?t=150417
Noob lugs have a characteristic shape, exactly the same as showed in previous FIGURE of Yandex watch


5-CANNON PINION
We cannot say that the Cannon pinion, with its evident protuberance, is from Noob factory, but evidently it is not of a gen Panerai.
As we all know CP in reps is a little hit-and-miss
Anyway, without doubts, a rep CP.


6- INSCRIPTIONS LUMINOR MARINA PANERAI ON DIAL
Noob inscriptions are thicker than gen and H maker.
The same thickness is showed in Yandex watch inscriptions


7- OTHER DIFFERENCES ON DIAL
There are other little differences on dial, as you can see in “3†marker, which is accurate in H maker rep but has slightly different shape in Noob, exactly the same as Yandex watch.
This is few noticeable and it is not important, but it is useful for identification purposes.


8-CASEBACK
There are several differences but the most noticeable is the OP logo
Gen and H maker are narrow and they have engraved just the contour of the OP logo.
See below FIGURE of gen casebacks

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PAM 366 “FU†GEN CASEBACKS

Noob replica has engraved all the body of the logo and is clearly wider, really inaccurate.
See in below FIGURE the differences between H maker and Noob casebacks
Of course Yandex watch has a logo engraved like a Noob replica.

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PAM 366 “FU†REP CASEBACKS NOOB-YANDEX-H MAKER COMPARISON

This little study will be useful to identify a PAM 366 “FUâ€, allowing to know if it is GEN, Noob or H maker.

We have been able to know that H maker is more accurate in general regarding dial and caseback, but unfortunately the CG and case of Noob is clearly superior




YANDEX WATCH - Conclusion
As said already at the begining, Yandex watch is clearly a replica from Nobb factory as we can see easily through above FIGURES and comments
Therfore: CASE CLOSED


Thanks for reading
ALE
 

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Amazing detail Ale. Bravo!