PAM 312 Dial Font Coloring

[dmashbur]

Hi all. So there are posts here and there but nothing too definitive as of late, so I figured I would ask. Has anybody had luck with a lighter font color on the dial of PAM312's? More specifically the V2 V6F O Series like you can get at InTime? Was wondering if the factory possibly corrected the brown hue, or if they're still shipping out with a noticeable darker font color.

Thanks in advance!

*Please don't turn this into a debate on whether the font is different/if it's an acceptable replica, etc. I'm simply wanting to know if the Factory has improved on this or remained the same as past versions.

 

[mysterio]

No. The V6/KW V2 is currently the best in terms of font color.

 

[Maraach]

As far as im aware still too brown. F
This (and the v6f hands) are the only reason i still buy zf pams

 

[ALE7575]

As far as im aware still too brown. F
This (and the v6f hands) are the only reason i still buy zf pams

And just for this reason you are wrong

ALE

 

[Maraach]

And just for this reason you are wrong

ALE

*shrug* we have always disagreed on this one Ale. I know you dont mind the brown font, the crazy fake CP cap and short hands, I do. To each there own. I was just answering the question posed. I can give you a dozen other reasons why the ZF 320's suck - the dial is not one of them. When KW gets it right, they get it really right - my 438 is one of the best reps i own, bar none. Sure the movement is all wrong, and there are a couple small flaws on it but its just a nice watch. It looks nice, it feels nice, its just nice. Im yet to find a stainless one that quite lives up to that quality bar.

 

[ALE7575]

As many times I (and other qualified) members have said, the finish and gen like appearance is much more important than some "little" flaws. You can notice the gen like appearance form a meter of distance, whereas you cannot seen little flaws from 30cm and many times you would need to know previously the flaws to realise them. I have compared in my own hands almost all reps from ZFac and KW and showed them to some people (rep and gen owners), more 90% of people like more KW reps, and I think I have not kept any ZFac (PAM 604 and 605 are exceptions)

Anyway ZFac is one of the best available rep options, this is a taste matter and I respect your and other opinions

ALE

 

[Maraach]

Ok.. im curious what makes a qualified member? I mean, im not putting myself forward as a PAM expert. I know very little of most of the models apart from roughly what they look like. However I own 3 gens and have owned 2 others and i've owned every makers version of this particular model so I do kind of think I know this model. And let me make it clear. I will spot the KW across a room from 2 - 3 metres away without problem.

Here is a photo for the OP to make his own mind up:

 

[ernien]

Simply put, the gen 312 and 359 have different inscription colors. The V6F 312 and 359 have the same inscription color.

V6F just made it easy for themselves and used the same color for all their 44mm 1950 PAM's.

Although this makes the 312/320/351 incorrect, V6F's level of fit and finish is so high it generally overshadows the incorrect color for most people. (I guess basically what ALE said )

*edit, oops sorry OP, just realized you were looking for updates not a debate.

 

[Maraach]

Here we go with the fit and finish debate again.... once again i disagree. Im happy to be proven wrong. If you have a good example of this watch please send me a picture. I am still chasing making a good rep which has become an obsession for me. I got this rep because my young son damaged my first gen and i was looking for something i could wear as a daily to stop that happening again. Then i got addicted to this hobby and 30 reps later here i am.

In MY experience, on this specific model, the KW has been the worst fit and finish bar none. Im not commenting on kw vs zf in general. I dont own enough watches to make that call. I mean for this model. Just comparing amongst the models ive owned. There is a real anti zf sentiment here, probably for good reason, im just saying i thought they did a better job on the dial for the one i got.

Once again in my experience the v6's (of this model!!!) ive had have multiple flaws, ive had dirty movements, fingerprints, the crown on one of the two doesnt fit properly which makes it hard to set the time.... minute hand is wrong, numeral colour is wrong, you cant fit the gen bracelet without SEL fitment issue as the lug holes are marginally too long... all issues the zf's ive owned havent had. Quite frankly neither example ive had has been what i'd consider a good rep. Is this the fit and finish we all speak of? Or am i just unlucky. Did i get ones made during new year celebrations.... Perhaps. Im also curious for someone to tell me what makes the zf so much worse because i just dont see it..

The one thing ill give it, and its a huge one, kw at least they can get the dial straight. Also ive had bad luck with zf movements.

I may have just received a bad batch. I accept that. Im not bagging KW. I own several of there watches. If so please someone show me a solid example as i'd buy one in a heartbeat. I get frustrated because i purchased the kw on the continual insistence its the better more gen like watch. As someone who owns the gen watch i cant agree. This has not been MY experience but i get jumped on any time i share that. It confuses me. Look at the thread. Op asks if too brown i said i believe so which is why ive bought other ones and then i get told im wrong..... *shrug* looks pretty brown to me.

OP up to you if it bothers you. I just wanted to show you the comparison. If the flaws i mentioned dont bother you, or if they have been rectified all good, buy the watch and be happy with it.

 

[mysterio]

Well, there you go. Everyone has their opinions. I believe [MENTION=35350]ALE7575[/MENTION] made his pronouncement based on discussions with "qualified members" (I would read that as owners of the gen) and [MENTION=111374]Maraach[/MENTION] made his based on his experience as an owner of the same. I think both are very good examples of why participation in discussion without resorting to argument is great. I personally do not own any gen 1950s cased PAMs but I have encountered gen owners (close acquaintances by the way) as well who have been flabbergasted to know that what I was wearing was a replica. I think that was even before the decorated movement versions came out. Maybe [MENTION=111374]Maraach[/MENTION] can spot a rep PAM312 from 2-3 meters away, good for him. But I have let gen owners handle the rep in their own hands and they could not tell the difference. So it all comes down to acceptance. [MENTION=111374]Maraach[/MENTION] cannot accept the current reps because he can tell the rep from gen (this is a debatable point but there it is) and so he cannot recommend it. [MENTION=35350]ALE7575[/MENTION] is of the opinion that the PAM312 rep is "good enough" based on "qualified members" opinions. I tend to share the same sentiment with ALE not because I am discounting Maraach's opinion, but because my judgement is based not on personal ownership of the gen, but with discussions with gen owners.

To the OP, take each opinion as you will. In the end, what's important is "are you satisfied?". If not, then I suggest you select another rep without this divisive font color situation. If you do, then proceed with your purchase and post a wrist shot once you get it. I would humbly suggest that if you are thinking of wearing the rep on bracelet anytime in the future to get the PAM328 as it is a PAM312 with a bracelet option and much cheaper to buy with the bracelet than to buy one separately later on. But if not, my next suggestion is to get the one with the rubber strap as the rep leather strap isn't that good and you would probably replace that with a better leather strap anyway (plus the rubber strap is so close to the gen it's crazy to spend that much more for little improvement).

 

[ALE7575]

Thanks [MENTION=111374]Maraach[/MENTION] and [MENTION=12819]mysterio[/MENTION] for your interesting comments.

These kind of discussions make this forum great.

Maraach, please don't take the words "qualified members" as an offence, that doesn't exclude you, I personally consider you as a "qualified member" and mainly talking about this concrete subject.
As above commented I respect every opinion and, as mysterio said, the most important is that you enjoy and like your watches.

That said, I have already said everything about this matter

Enjoy your reps everyone

ALE

 

[Maraach]

Thanks @Maraach and @mysterio for your interesting comments.

These kind of discussions make this forum great.

Maraach, please don't take the words "qualified members" as an offence, that doesn't exclude you, I personally consider you as a "qualified member" and mainly talking about this concrete subject.
As above commented I respect every opinion and, as mysterio said, the most important is that you enjoy and like your watches.

That said, I have already said everything about this matter

Enjoy your reps everyone

ALE

No problem Ale. Im happy to continue the debate one day.. preferably over a beer and preferably not in this poor persons thread.

 

[ALE7575]

No problem Ale. Im happy to continue the debate one day.. preferably over a beer and preferably not in this poor persons thread.

Done !
LOL

Thanks
ALE