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Pam 292 Ceramic PVD

digi

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Was looking for this watch during my visit to the rep mall last time but they only sold the shinny case, which looked really cheesy. I managed to get hold of a matt finished version, so here are some photo's

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its not shinny, but under certain lighting conditions it does slightly reflect like ceramic, but overall, I do like the look and feel.

The AR is indigo and strong. A screw for the strap holder seem not to go all the way in and looks like they screwed the threading when making it. Typical flaws present, cannon pin, the number 2 etc.

If you like Radiomirs, you should like this version.
 

Hambone

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Your 292 does look nice. The matte finish is an important issue, so please share where you got this.
 

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I like this dial much better. The other version has the graphics on it, looks like two monkeys trying to screw a torpedo. :D
 

Matt Watch

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Looks very nice a big on your wrist!

Bretlec, two monkeys trying to screw a torpedo....hahaha...
 

digi

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thanks guys!

Just to provide some background on the "manned torpedo" historical angle. Maybe it will create some interest.

1941 Naval warfare gets new weapon

On this day, Italy attacks the British fleet at Suda Bay, Crete, using detachable warheads to sink a British cruiser. This was the first time manned torpedoes had been employed in naval warfare, adding a new weapon to the world's navies' arsenals.

The manned torpedo, also known as the "Chariot," was unique. Primarily used to attack enemy ships still in harbor, the Chariots needed "pilots" to "drive" them to their targets. Sitting astride the torpedo on a vehicle that would transport them both, the pilot would guide the missile as close to the target as possible, then ride the vehicle back, usually to a submarine. The Chariot was an enormous advantage; before its development, the closest weapon to the Chariot was the Japanese Kaiten--a human torpedo, or suicide bomb, which had obvious drawbacks.

The first successful use of the Chariot was by the Italian navy, although they referred to their version as Maiali, or "Pigs." On March 26, six Italian motorboats, commanded by Italian naval commander Lt. Luigi Faggioni, entered Suda Bay in Crete and planted their Maiali along a British convoy in harbor there. The cruiser York was so severely damaged by the blast that it had to be beached.

The manned torpedo proved to be the most effective weapon in the Italian naval arsenal, used successfully against the British again in December 1941 at Alexandria, Algiers. Italian torpedoes sank the British battleships Queen Elizabeth and Valiant, as well as one tanker. They were also used against merchant ships at Gibraltar and elsewhere.

The British avenged themselves against the Italians, though, by sinking the new Italian cruiser Ulpio Traiano in the port of Palermo, Sicily, in early January 1943. An 8,500-ton ocean liner was also damaged in the same attack.

After the Italian surrender, Britain, and later Germany, continued to use the manned torpedo. In fact, Germany succeeded in sinking two British minesweepers off Normandy Beach in July 1944, using their Neger torpedoes.

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By the end of WWII, Italian frogmans had sunk or severely damaged 217530 tons of Allied ships.

From 1941, the British were nervously on guard of a potential surprise attack by the most effective and devastating branch of the Italian military of World War Two; the frogmans.

The Italian frogmans used manned torpedoes as deadly weapons agaisn't Allied ships.

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Manned torpedo.

Italian frogmans were not only deadly, but also very ingenious in their methods of attack. Known as the Floating Trojan Horse of Gibraltar, Italian frogmans used an imaginative method of destroying enemy ships in Gibraltar.

Gibraltar was very tempting to the Italians for their safe shelter of British warships and allied merchant shipping. The Italian frogmans originally used a Spanish villa that was located about two miles from Gibraltar as a base. It was owned by an Italian officer married to a Spanish woman.

The frogmans would stay inside the villa until night, and then they would sneak out into the harbor and attack unsuspecting British. But this proved very difficult. The harbor was very well protected by netting, patrol boats and search lights. Because of this, the frogmans decided to use a battered Italian merchant ship Olterra, that docked across the bay of Gibraltar as a new base.

The crew was secretly replaced with divers and technicians. A workshop to house, build and maintain human torpedos was build. A door was cut six feet below the surface to allow these two-man human torpedos to come and go undetected. Replacement torpedos were shipped from Italy disguised as boiler tubes.

The British never found out where the frogmans had come and gone.

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Source: http://www.stonyroad.de/forum/showthread.php?t=2974
 

digi

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Matt Watch said:
Looks very nice a big on your wrist!

Bretlec, two monkeys trying to screw a torpedo....hahaha...

thks matt! It actually has the 2 monkeys on the torpedo but you dun notice it until up close.

I have a spare radiomir sitting a home and last night I was tempted to switch the movement+dial but after reading up on the Maiale - torpedo I'm kind of digging it. :lol:
 

digi

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Your 292 does look nice. The matte finish is an important issue, so please share where you got this.

I brought it from a dealer in lowu in Shenzhen china. I believe Angus of Puretime sells this exact model.

Make sure you get a piece without issues with the strap holders screws not going all the way in.
 

montrealer

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One small question about this watch, are the lugs solid ? I always loved the style but feared the lugs would be a weak point.
 

digi

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hi montrealer,

u are talking about the pins that hold the strap to the case right? If yes, they are solid and held in place by the screws underneath the watch case. I was having trouble with one of he screws as somehow the thread won't allow the screw all the way in.

If you do intend to get one, make sure this problem does not appear. Also, when u receive it make sure to tighten everything before wearing becoz these screws can be difficult to get hold of.

It feels solid and does not feel like its going to fall off or anything. Pretty sturdy this one, but I have had a few Radiomir's where the pins, even with tight screw can sometimes move a little bit. Just make sure the screws are in tight and you should be fine.

Some more info I dug up on the 292.

Panerai Radiomir PAM 292.

Black Panerai. The black Radiomir PAM 292 released by Panerai in 2007, was not the first Black Panerai. The PAM 00004 and PAM 00009. The PAM 4 was a black Luminor Marina while PAM 9 was a Black Luminor. These watches were made using stainless steel cases with a "black" coat applied via physical vapor deposition (PVD). PVD is a method of depositing thin films by the condensation of a vaporized form of the material onto various surfaces. It basically means depositing a layer metal onto another. These Panerai PVD watches were made of stainless steel, coated with titanium nitride. This gave the watches a "black" or "gun metal" finish.

The problem with PVD coating is that they can get scratched as easily as stainless steel, and if scratch badly enough, the stainless steel case of the watch would be exposed. Unlike a stainless steel watch, you can not buff out scratches, and there was no way to re-coat the watch.

The interesting about this watch is not its movement, but its finish. Unlike most black watches in the market, it does not use PVD. It is a ceramic coated watch. The ceramic used is Zirconium Oxide and it is molded from powder using a process of isostatic pressure instead of being cast. This process make it extreme durability, reputedly five times tougher than 316L steel, it also highly resistant to scratches and corrosion.
 

OiRogers

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Two quick questions Digi...

The case on your watch is Ceramic?... not the PVD coated steel?

And the Crystal?... Sapphire? or mineral glass?

If your watch is Ceramic and has an actual Sapphire crystal, I think I just found a new #1 spot on my WANT NOW list.
 

OiRogers

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It would appear at first glance that Digi has located a different watch...

The dial itself is different, and it would appear that the case is different as well, being a "Matte" type finish.

I'm curious enough to continue monitoring, the crystal is a big sticking point for me.. I've managed to destroy several lesser crystals, I demand sapphire.
 

digi

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OiRogers said:
It would appear at first glance that Digi has located a different watch...

The dial itself is different, and it would appear that the case is different as well, being a "Matte" type finish.

I'm curious enough to continue monitoring, the crystal is a big sticking point for me.. I've managed to destroy several lesser crystals, I demand sapphire.

I doubt it is ceramic but I will open the case again tonight and take a pict for you. Reason I say that is that the screw for the strap holder that would not go all the way in caused me to scratch the side a little and a some silver is showing. Thus, my conclusion is that its not Ceramic. But I will try to take a few shot for u guys to decipher as I'm not really sure. but according to Angus's site its 316L PVD'ed to a brushed finish. Also, on the site is clearly states sapphire as the crystal. On the shinny version he provides a choice of mineral or sapphire for an extra $30. How true I dunno.

Its nice to wear and does look pretty neat I guess compared to the shinny one as I found that really chessy. Regarding the price, I personally thinks its a bit steep, but the reviews on the real item made me pull the trigger as I had a crazy urge for it and it was preventing me from concentrating on my work. :mrgreen:
 

digi

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sorry for the late reply, but its not ceramic, 316L treated.

Still, its wearing pretty nicely and I did bang it a few times, but it seemed ok with no scratches.

The Sapphire Crystal + the AR is nice.