Thanks to the convincing of Ale I pulled the trigger on a Noob 243 from Toro. This beauty is on its way....
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PAM 243 on its way
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You will love it. I ordered mine from Puretime, great service.
One thing you will notice off bat, it's heavy. Also looks much nicer in person than from the pics. You will also notice the strap is top quality.
One thing you will notice off bat, it's heavy. Also looks much nicer in person than from the pics. You will also notice the strap is top quality.
Enjoy!
Mine arrived Monday & so impressed with the quality.
The weight was a genuine shock.
Strap is excellent, also nice unlike other dive rubber straps that it fits normal sized wrists!
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Mine arrived Monday & so impressed with the quality.
The weight was a genuine shock.
Strap is excellent, also nice unlike other dive rubber straps that it fits normal sized wrists!
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I'm excited. It will be my first PAM. The numbers seem slightly chubby, but nothing that bothers me.
I like the looks on the rubber and from what I understand it is supposed to be pretty comfortable. My wrist is 7-7.25.
I'm also considering picking up a leather strap as well, something in a medium brown that has a nice aged look to it.
WHen you look at it with a magnifier and good light the circles are there. Believe me .
Ale, try it on yours. Use a good camera with good zoom on macro mode and good light and you will see the circles on it.
If you really haven´t got the circles is because your's is another version... A very rare version would be...
Ale, try it on yours. Use a good camera with good zoom on macro mode and good light and you will see the circles on it.
If you really haven´t got the circles is because your's is another version... A very rare version would be...
Look:
PAM 243L Noob V1 (first version of the Noob 243L).
PAM 243M Noob V2 (the very last version of the PAM 243M Noob)
You can see the circles on both dials:
On the first 243L V1 aren't so noticeable but you can still see them.
On the last 243M V2 they are more noticeable when it's closed and with good light..
Anyway I must say that those circles are very difficult to see on both versions. You need a close capture to see them.
BTW we can see another differences on lume colour and bezel :
243L V1 lume colour lighter, more creamy on pearl and dial markers.
243M V2 lume colour more green on pearl an dial.
Also you can see dots on the bezel of 243L V1 are higher than on the 243M V2 which are flatter.
PAM 243L Noob V1 (first version of the Noob 243L).
PAM 243M Noob V2 (the very last version of the PAM 243M Noob)
You can see the circles on both dials:
On the first 243L V1 aren't so noticeable but you can still see them.
On the last 243M V2 they are more noticeable when it's closed and with good light..
Anyway I must say that those circles are very difficult to see on both versions. You need a close capture to see them.
BTW we can see another differences on lume colour and bezel :
243L V1 lume colour lighter, more creamy on pearl and dial markers.
243M V2 lume colour more green on pearl an dial.
Also you can see dots on the bezel of 243L V1 are higher than on the 243M V2 which are flatter.
And BTW with that said... I'm not sure if the gen has the circles or not.
We need a very close capture of the gen subdial to see if it has the circles or not...
We need a very close capture of the gen subdial to see if it has the circles or not...
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I have said NO VISIBLE CIRCLES not non existent circles. Nowadays we know the subdials of PAM 243 and 299 are not made by stamping but by milling. Then the cisrcles (really they are a spiral) are the marks of the milling tool.
I have already checked mine with the lens (some days ago) and I saw the circles too !!! LOL
We have alrady explained that matter and the reasons in a previous thread folowing the investigations of PolonusTM
[URL="http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/look-ale-135706.html?p=1337195"]http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/look-ale-135706?p=1337195[/URL]
[URL="http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1337195&postcount=9"]http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1337195&postcount=9[/URL]
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1337778&postcount=11
You have all the explanations and link in the PAM GUIDE for 243 and 299.
Concerning gen, two PAM 299 observed by PolonusTM had the circles in subdial under close observation and good light.
Read PAM GUIDE for 299
Most likeley is the same for 243
ALE
Thanks Ale. Glad to hear a resident expert feels it looks really good. Maybe it's just the angles or the way the photos were taken that the numbers look thick to me....or my experience with all these different models and my eye for their subtleties needs a lot of work. lol
One thing I noticed in these qc's as well as in many other photos is the variation in the lume and how it is more pronounced on some watches than others. Is this just a typical rep characteristic or is there a color difference on the gen?
Also on the dots being less raised on the v2...I believe that I read in a comparison thread either here or @ RWG that the dots in the v1 were a flaw and more raised than the gen. This was corrected and more accurate on the v2.
Thank you Ale my friend. I appreciate the links with the explanation.
I didn't saw them before. :facepalm:
Thank you again for the links! great Job by Polonus TM!!
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Will the circle fiasco resulting in PAM243 being downgraded from super rep to first class status?
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Thanks
The dial is almost perfect no worries about that
The variaton in lume is almost the same in gen although less pronunced. But in person you will not see these differences either.
Stop reading and just enjoy the Noob V2 !!
ALE
BTW: Why people don't comment about the more evident flaw IMO? (detected by PCTeam's Rwolf):
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam-243-125784?p=1234542
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No worries kaniel
We have in this PAM Section too much information to keep updated...LOL
Yes. Polonus has done a good investigation job about this matter
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Sorry my friend, but you have understood NOTHING.
Read the links and the info commented with Kaniel.
OMG! I thought all was clear now !
EXTRACTED FROM PAM 243 Reference PAM GUIDE:
WARNING and false alarm again ? : In January 2013 taiji has detected some dials of Noob PAM 243 M-series with subdial @9 having shinny concentric circles instead of being matt and with flat surface:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/this-could-best-133001by taiji
After that there is another thread dealing about this matter
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/look-ale-135706?p=1337195by Niek
Starting Mars 2013 an study and interesting investigation by PolonusTM have established the origin of the matter:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1337195&postcount=9by PolonusTM
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1337778&postcount=11 by PolonusTM
Following Polonus statements:
"Now I know that gen 243 and 299 models HAVE concentric circles on subdials but the amount, viscosity and surface tension of paint layer varies and, most of the times, covers these circles and make them look semi-flat. When You flush gen dial with paint remover, they appear if full galore. They are not stamped but just micro-milled hence circles. Probably all PAM dials with subdials have them like that. So it is paint layer what rep makers get wrong."
The gen and the rep have both a very edged subdial contour, we can say that they are milled in the dial material, because it is impossible to get an edged contour of the subdial by stamping, we need a milled process to get this edged contour.
Therefore the inner surface of the subdials must have a mark of the milling tools like a fine spiral (seemingly concentric circles)
As you said due to the viscosity and surface tension of the paint the milled marks are flattened by the layer of the paint more or less in different way depending on quantity of the paint and also on the characteristics of the paint.
In below pics of two PAMs 243 you can see on the left side a subdial with a thick layer of paint and a minimum circles effect and on the right side a subdial with a thin layer of paint and therefore maximum circles effect.
In this way due to the usual differences in the manufacturing process of a replica, we can get from almost completely flat inner subdial surfaces to “textured†surfaces like concentric circles.
Since the gen has seemingly almost flat surface, it is a matter of luck to get an almost flat surface like the gen in our replicas depending on the quantity, viscosity and surface tension of paint. Anyway I can see it s almost no noticeble in most of the cases.
ALE