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*** PAM 127/217 KW vs ZF ultimate decision help please***

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ok, all PAM gurus, pls bear with me.

I read and re-read thru as much info from the "bible" guide, plus several 50+ pages of reviews on this great rep piece.

However, now I am completely info overload.

I was all set of getting the PAM 217 from KW, but now having second thought as I am not sure if I should opt for the ZF version.

Can the experts sway or point me in the right direction, or decision?

Greatly appreciated.
 
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Kingcrab,

According to ALE's PAM guide, PAM 127 from KW factory is considered a super replica. In my opinion, is a good option.
 
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KW -- for PAM's, 90% of the time, KW is the way to go.
 
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Is there a consensus on the 217 though, anybody?
I agree the kw 127 is the better watch
 
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nalomb

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Not sure if there's a consensus (which I find to be a rarity), but I've had the DSN, Noob and KW -- sold the other two and the KW has remained in the rotation. Here is mine with a Vac relume on Strap Culture gator:



Major pluses for me on the KW: correct millesimation, correct orientation of movement, correct millimetric screw on the swan neck, better (more correct) distortion on the crystal and better dial printing.
 
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It's easy KW is the way to go ...
if you prefer a "destro" KW217.
if standard lefty wanted KW127, wich has a nice decorated movement the 217 does not have.
Then get a gen strap and you are in :)
 
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JMMC said:
It's easy KW is the way to go ...
if you prefer a "destro" KW217.
if standard lefty wanted KW127, wich has a nice decorated movement the 217 does not have.
Then get a gen strap and you are in :)
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thank you all for the replies. So the kw 217 is not 100% identical in movement compare to 127?
 
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kingcrab said:
thank you all for the replies. So the kw 217 is not 100% identical in movement compare to 127?
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No, correct, as per gen.
PAM127 has a more "elaborated/decotared" movement, with the word PANERAI repeated/engraved all along the movement.
PAM217 doesn´t have those PANARAI PANERAI PANERAI engravings on the movement.
You may check at panerai web site.
 
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I like my zf.... I like the extra distortion. And if you hunt around for some gen videos, you'll find examples with very similar distortion. Also, the KW lume appears to be greenish even without a charge. But I am in the minority...
 
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JMMC said:
No, correct, as per gen.
PAM127 has a more "elaborated/decotared" movement, with the word PANERAI repeated/engraved all along the movement.
PAM217 doesn´t have those PANARAI PANERAI PANERAI engravings on the movement.
You may check at panerai web site.
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does "decorated" movt serves a functional purpose? or just for look? thx
 
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Superman76 said:
I like my zf.... I like the extra distortion. And if you hunt around for some gen videos, you'll find examples with very similar distortion. Also, the KW lume appears to be greenish even without a charge. But I am in the minority...
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+1

colors generally are the KW's weak point. Someone must be color blind there.
 
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kingcrab said:
hi, that is the one I read and got all info over loaded..and confused. I was about to get the KW 217 until i read that 50 pages article.

Now is "decorated" mvt in 127 more of a beauty thing? or does it serve some functionality? I


Thank you all
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The pourpose of chinese reps decorated movements, are to resemble the original GEN movements as much as possible.

At the same time GEN movements have "decorated", engraved or modified bridges , apart from functionallity (in some cases), to make it harder to replicate and give the feeeling of a nice finished product. Although sometimes those movements , at gen "low entry level" are not "pure manufactures" at all, but just modified/decorated basic generic swiss movements.

With closed case back watches, all the above is not so important.
 
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