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Pam 111 N "V4" ?

ALE7575

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Why are you indicating PAM 111 "t" ??
What do you mean with "correct" PAM 111.
This is just one of the available PAM 111. But it is not a true V4, but a "false V4", it actually is a complete Noob V3 with modded Y shaped rep Incabloc. Just that: Nothing from V4 caseset
Read below link, all is explained:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...ng-more-confusion-in-PAM-111-scene%96Jan-2016

And now your predictable answer will be:
Correct means the best version available
and then.. If not which the best one?

Well, at this moment, as you can see in above post, nobody can assure the real thing you will receive buying a Luminor 44mm Bettarini caseset. Maybe the most consistent would be the H maker new 2015 caseset, but it has sharper edges than gen, sharper transition edges on bezel and wider base of the bezel. Regarding KW you can see above post to see the possible issues. KW correct new 2015 version would be really good, maybe the only noticeable flaw would be the higher placement of the lug holes, and there are many units with almost corrected position, but can you assure that you will receive a complete new version??
Regarding Noob new complete version is almost impossible to get it and there are no links to buy it. Some months ago when you buy a Noob V3 you received with a bit of luck a real V4 case, with correct crystal and sometimes even with slim V4 crown. Now seems almost impossible.
The "release" of above commented "false V4" added a lot more of confusion.

Until Noob doesn't finish all old stock of V3 cases and crowns, we will see all possible mixing.
Maybe the only rep with more complete V4 caseset is the Noob PAM 390. But I cannot assure it either

IT IS IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT ALL THEM ARE GOOD SUPER REPS, AND SOMETIMES AT TRUE BARGAIN PRICES, BUT WE USUALLY LIKE TO BUY WHAT WE ARE PAYING AND EXPECTING.

The only way is determine the correct price we should pay and the check the QC pics to assure the version you are getting is the expected, and this can be not very easy without some experience and correct pics.

As I'm usually saying nowadays: Bad times to buy Luminor Bettarini 44mm watches

Sorry to say that, but this is actually the situation

ALE
 
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Thank you for that enjoyable, very informative read.

You may have swayed me to get the IWC Portuguese for now or until things change.

Kind regards,
GH
 
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ALE7575 said:
Why are you indicating PAM 111 "t" ??
What do you mean with "correct" PAM 111.
This is just one of the available PAM 111. But it is not a true V4, but a "false V4", it actually is a complete Noob V3 with modded Y shaped rep Incabloc. Just that: Nothing from V4 caseset
Read below link, all is explained:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...ng-more-confusion-in-PAM-111-scene%96Jan-2016

And now your predictable answer will be:
Correct means the best version available
and then.. If not which the best one?

Well, at this moment, as you can see in above post, nobody can assure the real thing you will receive buying a Luminor 44mm Bettarini caseset. Maybe the most consistent would be the H maker new 2015 caseset, but it has sharper edges than gen, sharper transition edges on bezel and wider base of the bezel. Regarding KW you can see above post to see the possible issues. KW correct new 2015 version would be really good, maybe the only noticeable flaw would be the higher placement of the lug holes, and there are many units with almost corrected position, but can you assure that you will receive a complete new version??
Regarding Noob new complete version is almost impossible to get it and there are no links to buy it. Some months ago when you buy a Noob V3 you received with a bit of luck a real V4 case, with correct crystal and sometimes even with slim V4 crown. Now seems almost impossible.
The "release" of above commented "false V4" added a lot more of confusion.

Until Noob doesn't finish all old stock of V3 cases and crowns, we will see all possible mixing.
Maybe the only rep with more complete V4 caseset is the Noob PAM 390. But I cannot assure it either

IT IS IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT ALL THEM ARE GOOD SUPER REPS, AND SOMETIMES AT TRUE BARGAIN PRICES, BUT WE USUALLY LIKE TO BUY WHAT WE ARE PAYING AND EXPECTING.

The only way is determine the correct price we should pay and the check the QC pics to assure the version you are getting is the expected, and this can be not very easy without some experience and correct pics.

As I'm usually saying nowadays: Bad times to buy Luminor Bettarini 44mm watches

Sorry to say that, but this is actually the situation

ALE
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hi ALE,so if i want to buy a 111 right now , do you recommend me to wait for the new batch from noob or just buy the KW or H fac version ? thanks
 
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jembediah said:
hi ALE,so if i want to buy a 111 right now , do you recommend me to wait for the new batch from noob or just buy the KW or H fac version ? thanks
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As above commented, nowadays we don't know what will be the watch we will actually receive. And this is the matter
H maker at this moment is the more consistent regarding the version, but it has the flaws above commented, although it is a nice Super rep.
KW would be the best version so far, aside the higher placement of lug holes, but the issue showed in above commented link: https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/sh...ene%96Jan-2016 gets me very reluctant.

Maybe the best solution would be to wait for the new complete V4 Noob or buying a Noob PAM 390 which usually comes with many V4 features (being careful with QC pics).
When will Noob release a complete V4 ? WHO KNOWS? Obviously they are waiting to finish somehow the old V3 parts, cases, crowns, CG levers...

As above said: bad times for buying Luminor Bettarini 44mm watches

Anyway, I repeat that we will always receive a Super rep, but people should know what are paying and expecting

ALE
 
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