PAM 111 N V3 Noob – NO CHANGES either in Swan Neck or movement or Incabloc

[ALE7575]

Hi friends

Due to the current introduction of the PAM 111 N V3 from Noob, nowadays there is a lot of worries in buyers concerning gaps, screw length, etc…in Swan Neck devices and Incabloc modifications.

I'm going to repeat this matter another time

NOOB FACTORY V3 version HAS CHANGED NOTHING IN SWAN NECK OR IN SWAN NECK SCREW

The current Swan Neck devices from Noob have the same defaults as in previous versions:

- Lack of tensile strength in SN spring
- Bad shape of the end of SN spring (near the support)
- Short micrometric screw

Then, if you have or not have some gap IS a MATTER of LUCK, like in the previous versions.

That will not affect to the running of the watch and it will be visible only with lens.


PLEASE don't expect from the PAM 111 N V3 from Noob any improvement at this regard

Therefore DON'T REJECT THE QC PICS OF A NOOB WATCH DUE TO ABOVE MENTIONED FLAWS. This was always the same in the Noob SN, and in this NEW version NOTHING has changed concerning Swan Neck and screw.

Nowadyas Dealer are taking the movement QC pics from an angle which doesn't allow to see the Swan Neck gaps, because they are affraid of the massive rejections. That is not good for us and maybe it will turn into an increase of prices in the future.

We will study, of course, the pics and we will discuss about above mentioned flaws, but IMO it should not be a reason to reject a Noob watch.


If you don't like these issues from Noob, BUY an H maker watch !!...or better a gen!!


IN THE SAME WAY, THERE IS NO MODIFICATIONS EITHER IN INCABLOC DEVICES OR IN THE MOVEMENT. ALL IS THE SAME IN V3 AT THIS REGARD.




More discussion about that in thread of PAM 111 N V3 from Noob placed for this purpose.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-pam-111-115770

Thanks
ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Hi friends
I have opened this thread on order to no descend in the range due to its importance
Please discuss here if you want about these matters
ALE

 

[thran]

I wonder how many counts of the new v3 still have a gap? or have they almost completely taken care of that issue? just food for thought?

 

[kaniel]

We all hope to see the correct incabloc look someday...

But that day is so far...


Only thing we can do is keep on pressing the dealers and the factories to make it happen!!


Some day, maybe some day....

 

[ALE7575]

I wonder how many counts of the new v3 still have a gap? or have they almost completely taken care of that issue? just food for thought?

Are you meaning what is the percentage of replicas from Noob which have the gap in Swan Neck ?
Because this is already studied

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

We all hope to see the correct incabloc look someday...

But that day is so far...


Only thing we can do is keep on pressing the dealers and the factories to make it happen!!


Some day, maybe some day....

I agree
We will do it !!

ALE

 

[thran]

Are you meaning what is the percentage of replicas from Noob which have the gap in Swan Neck ?
Because this is already studied

ALE

yea, i saw the percent break down that was done in the past, but just wondering if on the v3 there is no gap anymore? did they completely fix that issue at least?

 

[ALE7575]

yea, i saw the percent break down that was done in the past, but just wondering if on the v3 there is no gap anymore? did they completely fix that issue at least?

As said in first post there are no changes. All is the same about spring and screw.
As far as I know and seeing the QC pics, we can say that everything remains in the same way.
- All the Noob watches V3 will have short screw
- More 53% of watches V3 will have gap either in the side of the screw or in the side of the spring, even they can have it in the two sides.

For people who don't know the previous study, you can find an statistical analysis of the replicas fron Noob and H maker at the end of this thread:
“SWAN NECK†(Part III) – Statistical Analysis of faults and reliability in replicas
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/swan-neck-part-iii-statistical-90559?t=90559

To do things easier I will copy below the analysis of these Noob and H maker replicas:


20- THE NEW GENERATION OF REPLICAS FROM THE END OF JUNE 2011

From June 2011 a new generation of very good PAM replicas has appeared in the replica world.

When we published the Thread Part II, we concluded that we are seeing a positive evolution in the quality of the Swan Neck installed in the PAM replicas.
At this moment we have made a study of 118 replicas of new generation. And now we can extract some sound conclusions about the Swan Neck device quality of these new replicas.

Firstly we would like indicate that, concerning Swan neck devices, there are two groups of new generation replicas, the replicas made by Noob factory and the replicas made by H maker and other makers.
The Swan Neck devices from these two groups are completely different.

1-The Swan Neck devices from H maker and other makers
These Swan neck devices are cosmetically very correct in general, have very few short screws and have much fewer faults in general than the old studied replicas.
The Swan Neck of the replicas from H-maker are even better than replicas from other makers because they have half of faults.
But unfortunately we realize some faults and details which mean that the Swan neck spring has not enough elasticity either. Although they have better elasticity than Swan Neck spring from Noob.

TYPICAL H MAKER SWAN NECK DEVICES


2- The Swan neck devices from Noob Factory
Noob factory is making, in general, the best PAM replicas of the new generation, but the Noob Factory Swan neck devices are worse than the H maker and other makers and we can say that they are worse even than the old studied replicas.
Almost all MS screw are short in the Noob replicas and the lack of elasticity of their Swan Neck spring are evident, because there are a lot of Noob reps with the regulator lever RL completely free, A(Free), with no pressed regulator lever RL by the MS screw and the Swan neck spring.
It is very difficult to find a Noob factory Swan neck device cosmetically correct and with MS screw long enough.

TYPICAL NOOB FACTORY SWAN NECK DEVICES



20.1- FAULTS IN THE REPLICAS OF NEW GENERATION

Leaving aside the Replicas from the Noob Factory, the replicas of the new generation have the same faults than old replicas but in much fewer quantity.

NEW GENERATION REPLICAS WITH FAULT TYPE MISSING SCREW. A(No MS)

NEW GENERATION REPLICAS WITH FAULT TYPE EITHER MS SCREW OR SWAN NECK SPRING PASSING OVER REGULATOR LEVER. A(Over)

NEW GENERATION REPLICAS WITH FAULT TYPE EITHER MS SCREW OR SWAN NECK SPRING DON’T PRESS THE REGULATOR LEVER RL. A(Free)

NEW GENERATION REPLICAS WITH FAULT TYPE MS SCREW IS SHORT. A(Short)

NEW GENERATION REPLICAS WITH SWAN NECK DEVICES COSMETICALLY CORRECT AND MS SCREW WITH MORE 70% TOTAL NECESSARY LENGTH. B(>70%)



20.2- STATISTICAL ANALYSIS OF THE DATA FROM THE 118 STUDIED REPLICAS OF NEW GENERATION
We have studied 118 replicas from the catalogue of Puretime and from the QC page and catalogue of Replicamake. In this way we have data from catalogues and from real sold replicas.
Since we have two types of Swan neck devices in the new generation of replicas, we have done two very different groups of new replicas:

- Replicas from H maker + other makers
- Replicas from Noob Factory

You can see below the results of this study.


20.2.1- DATABASE TABLE OF THE 118 NEW GENERATION STUDIED REPLICAS

We can see below the Database Table of the group of 118 new generation studied replicas, indicating:

- Replica Number
- Dealer: Puretime Watches Int. (PT), Replicamake (RM)
- PAM Model
- Maker: H maker+other , Noob
- Found fault description.
- Fault type code (following codes of Section 18)

20.2.2 - PERCENTAGE OF FAULT TYPES IN NEW GENERATION OF REPLICAS. COMPARISON WITH THE PERCENTAGES IN OLD REPLICAS

You can find below the Table and the Graphic of Percentage of Fault Types in the group of 118 new generation studied replicas in comparison with the group of 204 old studied replicas.
We are indicating the quantity of found replicas from each maker and with every found fault type and the corresponding percentage.

CONCLUSIONS

From the Table and Graphic the conclusions are evident:

The Swan Neck devices of the new generation of replicas from H maker and other makers have much fewer faults than the old replicas.
Almost 80% of new generation replicas from H maker and Other makers are decorative and cosmetically correct. In H maker the percentage is even better. But their Swan Neck spring continues having lack of elasticity

The Swan Neck devices of the new generation of replicas from Noob factory are much worst than the rest of studied replicas either old or from H maker and other makers.
Almost 54% of Noob Swan Neck devices have no pressed Regulator lever RL between the MS screw and Swan Neck spring A(Free), and the rest have short screw A(Short). The lack of elasticity of their Swan Neck spring is evident.
Although Noob factory is currently making the best replicas, in general, of the new generation, we have not found a Swan Neck from Noob even decorative or cosmetically correct.



21- FUTURE SWAN NECK DEVICES IN REPLICAS

Bearing in mind the results of this study, we think that the future Swan Necks in replicas will have a more decorative and cosmetically look and will have MS screw with enough length.
Noob factory should take note and to use longer MS screw in order to cosmetically improve its Swan Neck devices.
Other makers and mainly H maker are making Swan Neck devices cosmetically very appropriate.
But we will not have a Swan Neck spring with enough elasticity to achieve a fully functional Swan Neck device.





ALE

 

[d4m.test]

great article! is the swan neck elasticity or the screw length affecting the moment at all-- other than cosmetically?

 

[ALE7575]

great article! is the swan neck elasticity or the screw length affecting the moment at all-- other than cosmetically?

Hi ptolemy
These parts doesn't affect at all the working of the moevement and are merely cosmetic.
Read about that the first threads about Swan Neck devices
“SWAN NECK†(Part I) – What is this? How does it work?
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/swan-neck-part-what-thisi-84846?p=831645

“SWAN NECK†(Part II) – Does it work in replicas?
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/swan-neck-part-ii-does-84847?p=831646

ALE