Just got my 087. First off let me say that this is one of the best PAM reps I have had as far as fit and finish on the case and dial I have ever had. Very nice watch. That being said it came in with a movement issue that I have never had before. First off running through setting the time and date I noticed that the date does not start to switch until well after midnight and I'm talking well after like around 5am. That was a bit concerning at first but I went ahead and set the date and time and put her on the wrist. Everything seemed to be working great. Would check it periodically throughout the day and time stayed spot on. Then after a few hours I noticed the hands were not advancing. The watch will stop for minutes even hours at a time then just start moving again. Funny thing is the second hand is still turning throughout the whole time it never stops. I don't know much about movements. It does not appear that the hands are getting stuck on each other or anything like that. Could there be a gear slipping inside or the hands slipping on the CP? I'm thinking that it must be something like that, that would explain why the date does not switch over until so late? So first off, who else in CONUS works on A7750 besides Strodda. I know he said he was not taking any new orders for the time being. I messaged Katt but he does not work on A7750. Second, I really like this watch and it may be one I keep for more than a month like my other ones so if I wanted to get a Swiss 7750 where would be the best place to source one and again who would be a good modder here in CONUS to send it to. Thanks in advance.
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PAM 087 Movement Issue
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Sorry to hear that mate. It seems you're not alone: https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/280042-a7750-PAM-087-not-working 
Yeah I seen those. Looks like they may have rushed these to market because they knew they were going to be a big hit and quality was compromised along the way. It wouldnt be a big deal if I could send it off to Strodda and have him work his magic. Now that he is not taking new orders I have no idea who to send it to. Oh well it will get figured out in the end I'm sure. Like the watch so much that getting a Swiss 7750 would be fine, if I could find someone to do the swap. Thanks for answering my thread, I'll keep an eye out to see if anyone else has the same problem as myself.
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It sounds line nothing a good watchmaker couldn't source. I like the 7750's very much. Without chrono module they must be very simple to service as well
Without chrono module they must be very simple to service as well
Bingo -- at least I hope so haha.
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I'd say the movement is a solid base and has a very beautiful finish.
Chinese QC is known to be horrible. I've had several asian Etas with tolerace issues in the keyless or date mechanism. Nothing a bit of lapping, polishing, cleaning and oiling couldn't fix
Remember, we pay a fraction of the gen price for virtually the same hardware! A bit of love and service for these watches is something we should be happy about to invest
I fear the day these high quality reps get banned from the market for some reason.
If you want I am sure you can swap most of the gen 7750 parts with the rep OPIII movement.
I did this with a gen 7753 in my Pam326 and voÃla you basically have a gen watch in gen quality! I love this hobby too much!
Chinese QC is known to be horrible. I've had several asian Etas with tolerace issues in the keyless or date mechanism. Nothing a bit of lapping, polishing, cleaning and oiling couldn't fix
Remember, we pay a fraction of the gen price for virtually the same hardware! A bit of love and service for these watches is something we should be happy about to invest
I fear the day these high quality reps get banned from the market for some reason.
If you want I am sure you can swap most of the gen 7750 parts with the rep OPIII movement.
I did this with a gen 7753 in my Pam326 and voÃla you basically have a gen watch in gen quality! I love this hobby too much!
Looks like a "clutch" problem. Watch smith will repair it without any spare parts needed. Since the half of movement needs to disassembled - it is better to do while servicing.
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How these movements pass timegrapher test and then arrive doa is beyond me. 7750 brand new Swiss swap would cost almost 1k with labor movement alone costs $700CAD + tax in Toronto
Thanks that's what I was figuring it was. Just spent a couple hours online researching this problem. Seems like that's exactly what the issue is. Gonna send it off to Vac first thing next week.
I seen a couple new Swiss 7750 on Ebay for $350USD. Just don't know if it is legit or someone just saying they are Swiss. I know jack about movements so I wouldn't know the difference.
I know a place in TO that charges you way less than that though.
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I found this info "just to throw swiss in it" is not so simple.
The Swiss made Valjoux 7750 has a date wheel that is less shallow than the Asian 7750. This means that if you were to try to install a Swiss valjoux 7750 directly into a watch that is designed for an Asian 7750, it would not fit. This is why you see very few actual replicas using this movement. The dial and other components must be specially modified to accept a Swiss 7750. This movement is offered only in watches that have a history of being high-demand items, where customers are willing to pay several hundred more dollars for the Swiss 7750. In reality, the cost/value for installing a Swiss 7750 into a replica watch and then paying $900 for it is debatable. Replica watches after all have little to no resale value, and for the cost of a REAL Swiss 7750 installed in your watch, you could often times buy two or three Asian 7750 watches.
The Swiss made Valjoux 7750 has a date wheel that is less shallow than the Asian 7750. This means that if you were to try to install a Swiss valjoux 7750 directly into a watch that is designed for an Asian 7750, it would not fit. This is why you see very few actual replicas using this movement. The dial and other components must be specially modified to accept a Swiss 7750. This movement is offered only in watches that have a history of being high-demand items, where customers are willing to pay several hundred more dollars for the Swiss 7750. In reality, the cost/value for installing a Swiss 7750 into a replica watch and then paying $900 for it is debatable. Replica watches after all have little to no resale value, and for the cost of a REAL Swiss 7750 installed in your watch, you could often times buy two or three Asian 7750 watches.
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Lol
I did a swiss 7753 swap for 240 € myself!
1k is a bit too much my friend.
The issue with the date wheel is true though. I use the swiss date wheel instead of the rep datewheel which actually works fine. I ****** up the rep datewheel when I was trying to mod it on a lathe as a dwo for the swiss date wheel -.-
Also I had to install new hands, since A7753 and swiss 7753 hand are different.
I think I wouldn't swap a A7750 for a swiss though. It just makes sense in the case of of a 7753, because of the gear train the asians add and hands slop of the chrono...
The non chrono 7750's only weakness will be the reversing wheel (which has a weird construcrion! I pried a defective one open the other day to see what's inside...) and the friction clutch (very good point Polonus! I also think this is Op's issue).
I am curious if a gen reversing wheel would fit these rep OPIII movements? But I don't think so. I believe they only fit the old 21,600 bph 7750's and they changed the pin dimensions for some whatever asian reasons...
I did a swiss 7753 swap for 240 € myself!
1k is a bit too much my friend.
The issue with the date wheel is true though. I use the swiss date wheel instead of the rep datewheel which actually works fine. I ****** up the rep datewheel when I was trying to mod it on a lathe as a dwo for the swiss date wheel -.-
Also I had to install new hands, since A7753 and swiss 7753 hand are different.
I think I wouldn't swap a A7750 for a swiss though. It just makes sense in the case of of a 7753, because of the gear train the asians add and hands slop of the chrono...
The non chrono 7750's only weakness will be the reversing wheel (which has a weird construcrion! I pried a defective one open the other day to see what's inside...) and the friction clutch (very good point Polonus! I also think this is Op's issue).
I am curious if a gen reversing wheel would fit these rep OPIII movements? But I don't think so. I believe they only fit the old 21,600 bph 7750's and they changed the pin dimensions for some whatever asian reasons...
Strodda is very busy with all the watches on hand right now and I don't think he will accept work. (Mine has been there for the past few months...)
You can try Vac for the service or for better, why not put in a swiss 7750 in?
You can try Vac for the service or for better, why not put in a swiss 7750 in?
Damn. I have one coming as well. I hope this isn't an epidemic
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