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PAM 036 Which dial? Ruby or Davidsan?

optimus_prime

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I've been lurking for a while, and have finally decided to make a purchase. Just hoping the members can help me make an informed decision.
Is the Pam 036 supposed to have a "L Swiss L", "T Swiss T, or "T-Swiss-T" dial.
Ruby has one for a very good price, and Davidsan has the one with T dial but cost so much more.
 

sweet

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Davidsen's dial is more accurate. The lume paint colors are supposed to be yellow on these 036s, but Ruby's got them in white while DSN has them in correct color. Also, Ruby's dial is thinner than usual, which gives it the appearance of tall cannon pin. DSN's dial is the correct size and has the taller cannon pin installed. Also, it is supposed to be T Swiss T. But there is a rumor that there were actually L Swiss L produced, but nobody's seen them ;)

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Here's a picture of gen for reference.
 

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Thanks a bunch Sweet! I was hoping I didn't have to spend to close to double the price.
 

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get the dial from ruby... davidsen's dial is purple.. should be the tobacco color as ruby's is. not purple! also davidsen's dial has pure yellow markers. tritium looks tan not yellow. so white base is much better for a relume.
 

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I also agree that Ruby's dial may be better, although it has "L" instead of "T".

If you like this model, ask Ruby if she can offer Pam 061 for the same price with OP 6535 caseback.

It's supposed to be "L" dial and it's more accurate, imo.
 

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Can you elaborate JoeJoeJoe? What I like about the 036 is the Marina Militare on the dial, plus Titanium. Will the 061 have the same? With the closed case back as the only difference?
 

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I have a DSN 36 and it is tobacco colored I have not seen the purple dial. I have had both the first gen 36 dial and the current version. The texture on the current version is really nice from DSN. Another thing that I did manage to get from DSN was polished gears which ruby does not offer. The gears make a big improvement on the appearance of the display back IMHO.
 

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optimus_prime said:
Can you elaborate JoeJoeJoe? What I like about the 036 is the Marina Militare on the dial, plus Titanium. Will the 061 have the same? With the closed case back as the only difference?


061 is Titanium watch with tobacco brown dial with sub second at 9. Basically the dial looks just like 111 but it's brown. It comes with closed caseback (Correct serial number ^^ OP 6535). 061 does not have Marina Militare text, but you know, it's a much more believable piece to own. There only supposed to be 200 Pam 036s in the world, vs. 4000 Pam 061s. It's just my opinion though.

What I do not like about DSN dials in general (please correct me if this is not the case with this specific dial) is that the number markers are way too close to the edge of the dial. I also do not think the aged look of the yellow lume looks believable, but I do not mind this as much as the spacing.

If you look at his Pam 040 offering though, the dial looks pretty damn good to me, including the spacing of the number markers (this dial with SS case may be my next purchase).

Ruby's dial has lots of flaws too obviously, L vs T, color of the lume, color of the dial is too light, etc.
I actually think Ruby's dial looks more purple than DSN's. I own standard rep 061 dial (same color as Ruby's 036) and it looks purple under certain lighting condition (and it's not from the A/R of the crystal - A/R is blue), and chocolate milk brown under normal settings.

I considered 036 before making my 061 purchase, but i concluded that the L dial or the T dial isn't close enough for me. I am kinda anal as you can see.

061 has everything correct, except for certain discrepancies (such as shade of the dial color, thickness of the crown, etc.) but no major flaws, such as wrong caseback numbers or dial text, etc.

I must be really bored rambling on :) I hope I made sense above.
 

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Joejoejoe-What a great response. Thanks, I'll be checking Davidsan's 061.
 

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Hey Joe, in a SS case that 040 becomes an 001A, correct? What would be the correct OP series for that watch?
 

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i have ruby's 036 and i have never had a gen in my hands to compare it to. according to the stock photos of the watch i've seen, it's pretty close (aside from the L instead of T). and apparently the gen 036 doesn't have A/R. it's a beautiful watch nonetheless and a great watch for the money.
 

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thanks Varock. I just got in touch with Trevor and he could get for less then what Ruby is asking. Might just bite.
 

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optimus_prime said:
thanks Varock. I just got in touch with Trevor and he could get for less then what Ruby is asking. Might just bite.

Yup. You won't regret getting it from Trevor. He has it for $185 shipped I believe. They all come from the same factory with no recessed cannon pin, thick crown, flush cg, and correct movement. There haven't been any QC's reported neither, so you won't have to worry about that :)
 

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for what it's worth, ruby's is advertised as swiss unitas, while trevor's is advertised as asia unitas which may explain the difference in price.
 

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hooligan said:
Hey Joe, in a SS case that 040 becomes an 001A, correct? What would be the correct OP series for that watch?


OP 6500 would do. However, rep 6500 cases come with serial number 0099/1000 (no letters in front of the 0099), which means it's Pre-A series.

I believe T-SWISS-T dial is correct for Pre-A. Number markers should be filled in though, instead of sausage.
 

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Just ordered from Trevor. I got the 036 with Swiss movement with some Tiffany bracelets. Thanks for all the help.
 

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varock said:
for what it's worth, ruby's is advertised as swiss unitas, while trevor's is advertised as asia unitas which may explain the difference in price.

Trevor
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Ruby
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They look identical to me. We all know there are no "swiss unitas" ;)