PAM 029 Lume Color?

[iwcforme]

What is the correct Gen Lume color for the 29? Is it white or greenish?
I forget what lume designation corresponds to what colors C1, C3 etc.

Mine has the standard greenish tint rep color but I am strongly considering a Lume job so would like to get as close to Gen as possible.

 

[babola]

Definitely closer to off-white or cream. C3 lume. Pam029 GMT is 1998-99 model (series A/B).

Green lume on Pam automatics GMTs etc is fairly recent thing, mostly noticeable from H-series onwards. I believe that lume is either pure C5 or mix of C5/C1 or similar.

babola

 

[Big L]

Definitely closer to off-white or cream. C3 lume. Pam029 GMT is 1998-99 model (series A/B).

Green lume on Pam automatics GMTs etc is fairly recent thing, mostly noticeable from H-series onwards. I believe that lume is either pure C5 or mix of C5/C1 or similar.

babola

Just curious...

I noticed that some of the modders from this forum use a mixture of C's...

If C3 is cream, then what is C1, C2, C4, and C5?

thanks

 

[hooligan]

Dunno about C2, C4 and C5, but here's something that should help you see the difference between C1 and C3:

http://www.everestwatchworks.com/sl_lume_colors.html

 

[babola]

Definitely closer to off-white or cream. C3 lume. Pam029 GMT is 1998-99 model (series A/B).

Green lume on Pam automatics GMTs etc is fairly recent thing, mostly noticeable from H-series onwards. I believe that lume is either pure C5 or mix of C5/C1 or similar.

babola

Just curious...

I noticed that some of the modders from this forum use a mixture of C's...

If C3 is cream, then what is C1, C2, C4, and C5?

thanks

The C3 is actualy more on a yellow-cream side, C1 is bright white, and C5 is green. Then there are all those in between.

Modders use sometimes pure Superluminoa/Luminova C3 sometimes pure C1 and sometimes mixture of both. Then there are other manufacturer's lume mixes as well.

Which lume color you'll end up with on your re-lumed Pam will pretty much be a result of your wanted color as a result and the underlying paint color. For painted/sausage dials modders forts scrap the upper lume layer, but it's the underlying paint that will affect the final appearance and color, as the lume itself is opaque so will show paint underneath thru, to a degree. My reps ranged in yellow, white and color paint, so the lume mix will always be a different one, depending of the color match between the solid color paint layer and opaque lume layer.

For example if the dial indices and numerals come as white, I ask the modder to relume in C3 (the same lume Panerai used on their older series historics), or in case of a green or yellow underpaint I ask for the mix of C1/C3, with a predominant C1 % part.

hope this helps a bit,
babola

 

[Big L]

So which combo reflects a 111h and 177h?

thanks

 

[babola]

So which combo reflects a 111h and 177h?

thanks

Again, it depends on your modder and technique they use to prepare the bottom brass disc. If painted in white before relume use C3, if lume is applied on directly on brass disc (not so good method) use bright white C1.

 

[Big L]

So which combo reflects a 111h and 177h?

thanks

Again, it depends on your modder and technique they use to prepare the bottom brass disc. If painted in white before relume use C3, if lume is applied on directly on brass disc (not so good method) use bright white C1.

IC. thanks

 

[takashi]

Those should come with Tritium which should be in process of aging by now...

So, I would suggest applying mixture of C1, C3 and a little bit of bright orange.

 

[LegendofSpeed]

Taka is correct.... as always! 029 is a T dial!

 

[hooligan]

I thought I had seen some pics of B series 029 with L dials, as well. Maybe I'm misremembering?

 

[LegendofSpeed]

There were seemingly 250 L Dials... the 029A had the T and the 029B had the L...

 

[LegendofSpeed]

i love the 029A though...

 

[babola]

Not quite correct guys...

While the gen 029 GMT came in predominantly T-dial flavour (only few gen L-dial 029 were ever seen in the wild) the replica 029 is a copy of the L-dial 029, and a spot on one at that. I believe BigL was inquiring about the right lume color match for his rep 029 which is L-dial, and should be off white / cream, deffo not aged tritium color.

The gen 029 T-dial is different in look and apperance from 029 L-dial, T-dial 029 one comes with markers and indices "pushed in" towards the centre of the dial, while L-dial 029 somes with more spread out numerals and indices towards the rehaut. There wes never a correct rep made of a gen Pam029 T-dial, the one LoS picture shows in his post above.

Many forumers have opted for changind the L Swiss L into T Swiss T txt under number 6, mainly due to lack of knowledge about L-dial and T-dial 029 dial differences, and while Ziggy has done number of these mods (letter L into letter T), the resulting dial isn't actualy "correct" if you're about splitting hairs. You end up with L-dial arrangement with T Swiss T dial under 6 o'clock.

Since a rep 029 is a good copy of 029 L-dial, it should be left as is, IMO, just re-lumed a bit better to SLuminova C3, that's all that needs to be done dial wise. Some newer models will require a hand stack upgrade, but early models like EL and Honpo are spot on with hands.

cheers,
babola

 

[dadog13]

babola...your knowledge in PAM, both reps and gens is really amazing...you know those little details that nobody even notice...you are definitely the PAM guru!

thanks for the explanation above

 

[babola]

Gen PAM 29 T-dial:

Notice the larger distance between the indices and rehaut.

Gen PAM 29 L-dial:

Notice how close the indices are to the dial edge, the L Swiss Made L txt almost touching the rehaut.

Rep Pam 29, basicaly a copy of gen 029 L-dial:

Hope this helps,
babola

 

[pamfried]

I went through that lesson in 29 just last week.....

Yes the T dials 29 are certainly different from the L dial variations.

Its interesting to see such differences even though they're practically the same model.

 

[hpy540]

I wish the pics would be visible. I know some of the updates have messed things up but i have recently come into some cash and i would ike to purchase one of these. Oncyte has a really nice one but it was modded by Eddie Lee sevrral years ago. I have also contacted DVSN adn he admitedly has mentions his is not "The Best" but his quality is great. I am up in the air on sourcing one of these.

 

[hooligan]

hpy, you can see the pictures of the A series "T" dial 029s, though. The "L" versions of these dials looked the same, just with the indices pushed further toward the edges of the dial.

The rep dials are good copies of the "L" or Luminova dials of the B series.