PAM 001 Question

[maxse]

For some reason I dont see this mentioned often.

What are the difference b/w this one and the 111H? Difference I can see is a painted dial and closed case back. Is that how it is supposed to be?

I am just looking for a very accurate base rep. I would get the 111H but I dont like the fact that the movement is not accurate, so I need something with a closed case back. Now the 005 the logo is a bit off and Im not too crazy having a logo there.

So is the 001 the answer? Since there isnt a lot of info on it. How accurate are the fonts on this watch? And is it possible to get the font color correct through mods? I would of course get the proper mods done on it.

BTW if anyone has some access to close-up pics of a gen 111H vs. the rep I would appreciate it.
And lastly, has anyone done a review of the Thumb Watch modded 111H Vs. DS's? Im inteested in getting a SS bracelet for the Panerai some time in the future...

 

[JOEJOEJOE]

For some reason I dont see this mentioned often.

What are the difference b/w this one and the 111H? Difference I can see is a painted dial and closed case back. Is that how it is supposed to be?

I am just looking for a very accurate base rep. I would get the 111H but I dont like the fact that the movement is not accurate, so I need something with a closed case back. Now the 005 the logo is a bit off and Im not too crazy having a logo there.

So is the 001 the answer? Since there isnt a lot of info on it. How accurate are the fonts on this watch? And is it possible to get the font color correct through mods? I would of course get the proper mods done on it.

BTW if anyone has some access to close-up pics of a gen 111H vs. the rep I would appreciate it.
And lastly, has anyone done a review of the Thumb Watch modded 111H Vs. DS's? Im inteested in getting a SS bracelet for the Panerai some time in the future...

Basically, Pam 001 is a former 111 E F & G series (except for the crown guard update in G to brushed).

Pam 001A is a bit different, but Pam 1B has "L" sausage dial with same features as 111 E & F other than the movement & caseback.

Pam 1B rep is very accurate (besides the normal flaws - recessed pin, etc.). Definitely more accurate than 111H. But most people seem to prefer the sandwich dial over painted dial.

Joe

 

[maxse]

hmmm interesting. do you have any links to the 001B version?
Im assuming that it exists as a gen too. Damn why does Panerai need so many different models!

*edit* Also how come there are no 001 models on the panerai web page? The only one they have is 000.

 

[JOEJOEJOE]

hmmm interesting. do you have any links to the 001B version?
Im assuming that it exists as a gen too. Damn why does Panerai need so many different models!

*edit* Also how come there are no 001 models on the panerai web page? The only one they have is 000.

I haven't said it clearly ^^ sorry.

001 has been replaced by 111 during its transition to the E series. 001 is only available upto D series I believe. 000 is still in production (it's the cheapest PAM you can buy at the moment in gen )

1B has two models - "T" dial and "L" dial. T dial version was never replicated by the standard rep factories. There is only Davidsen version out there. L dial version is the ones you can buy from Joshua, Andrew, etc.

Here is a gen pic of 1B "T" -

& 1B "L"

Hope this helps - please note that pics above are all gens.

 

[hooligan]

Oh, those T dials with the fat, engraved markers are so beautiful! *sigh*

Too bad they're now so expensive when they show up on the for sale fora.

 

[dvburns]

I purchased this watch from brand9avenue and I have been very happy with it. It was listed as a 111G but I believe the polished crown guard is typical of the 111F.

 

[taiji]

PAM0001B revisited

I was lucky to purchase this watch on a trip to ShenZhen in China. What surprise me was that it does not have recessed pin problem and the caseback serial number is correct. Mine is correctly engraved with "B1700/3000" same as the gen B series but different production number (see gen caseback pic above). A member told me that this could be the "old school" batch of PAM0001B in which the rep factory had stopped producing. I was really lucky as the person who sold the watch to me told me that did not attract any attention for more than 4 months and guess what? this is the only piece she has.

Except the crown guard. I think it is scarily close to the gen. Fyi, PAM0001B also comes with "L SWISS L" dial. For me, I think PAM0001B is the most accurate base model rep.

 

[taiji]

A member pointed out that my CG is off as the lever pin is protruding out too much where it should be flushed to the CG surface on the gen.

Well, after searching for a while. I finally got a new CG with "flushed" lever pin.

 

[Slaytallica]

I purchased this watch from brand9avenue and I have been very happy with it. It was listed as a 111G but I believe the polished crown guard is typical of the 111F.

Thats a gorgeous PAM

I want it

 

[maxse]

I purchased this watch from brand9avenue and I have been very happy with it. It was listed as a 111G but I believe the polished crown guard is typical of the 111F.

Thats a gorgeous PAM

I want it

But the movement gives it away immediately right? Its not suposed to have engraving on it everwhere, just Officne Panerai, correct?

So the 001B is the most accurate even though it is out of production now correct?
How much do they usually go for when they go up for sale? (The gens)

Also, since a lot of those pics are small. How do you guys feel about the 001B font, and color etc... when comapred to the gen?

 

[hooligan]

That style movement is correct for an F series watch. Not for the newer H and I series, though. Not sure about G series? I think those were CdG movements like the H and I.

 

[maxse]

wow this is giving me a headache lol.

So which is the most accurate movement for an open caseback?

I dont want the current one (H?) because the words "Officine Panerai" are a dead giveaway on the back. I dont mind having an "older" watch as long as it is accurate, and I prefer a polished cg. But of course the font needs to be correct so that everything else can be fixed with mods.

 

[babola]

Just to add a little more to your 'headache' mate - 001B rep has been out of production for some time now, and although majority of dealers still offer this model, the watch you actually get is not 'as close' to the gen 001B anymore, as it used to be.

I managed to "procure" old style 001 and 002 reps, 001 2 years ago as my first PAM rep, and 002 just by sheer luck 9 months ago - simply because the dealer had few of them left available thru the distributor that had gone thru old-stock clearance at the time.

The new-style so called 001 and 002 reps differ in following to their older rep counterparts:

1) Case design
the S/S case now used is the same as the one used for 111/112 H -series cases. This means the lugs are more elongated than they should be on 001/002B series as well as there's an accentuated 'cut' in the case between the lugs to allow for use of thicker aftermarket straps

2) Crystal
Gen 001/002 of B-series come with non-A/R Sapphire. Old-style 001/002 reps had this copied to a tee. New 001/002 reps unfortunatelly (to some) come with A/R coated sapphire, but you can buff the inner A/R coating easily to bring it closer to that 'gen' look.

3) CG and Crown
CG should be polished, with brushed lever - not anymore available though, since it seems that factories completely abandoned production of polished CGs. All you get now is brushed CG. Polished ones are now impossible to find in new form, and if you're lucky enough some members still have one or two that they'll be willing to part from. Get in touch with the guys that upgraded their polished rep CGs with Jimmy Fu's CG...some of them may be able to help you
Crown is now noticeably thinner (even more!) than the one that use to come on older 001/002 reps. It also comes with lesser number of teeth (at least on the ones that I've seen/acquired).

4) Dial
Although the overal design has been kept in new version, the lume has gotten even poorer, and the daylight color (uncharged) of dial indices and numerals is now either radioactive green or yellow/brown. I've had one of my watches re-lumed in C1/C3 mix but the original green still showed thru.
Dial txt is the same font as previous, only slightly thinner and not as bold as the gen or old-style 001/002 rep. I also noticed 'L Swiss L' is now much closer to the bottom of 6 o'clock, not as good as before, unfortunatelly.

That's about it IMO, others are welcome to chip in and add their observations/comments.

The attention to detail in recreating of "close to 1:1" 001/002 reps is now all but gone. The resulting product is a mish-mash of Panerai parts of different era badly mixed together...so if you can find one of those old-school 001/002 reps - GO FOR IT by all means !

Same theory should apply to those early 111E and F reps, also the AR coating on those is simply unmatched on today's historic reps (at least on mine).

Hope this helps at least a bit...

cheers,
babola

 

[maxse]

wow thanks babola.

Just when I thought I found the perfect one to mod to perfection. Now back to square one.

Im doing a lot of research right now and it's gonna cost me a pretty penny so I want to make sure I get the most accurate one I can get.

 

[taiji]

A very good friend of mine likes my PAM0001B alot. I am thinking a starting a project to make a new PAM0001B

Parts I have now are:

1.) Old SS case with non-AR sapphire
2.) Polishes SS CG with brush lever and flushed pin
3.) Hands and ETA6497 movement in which I am ready to remove from my previous PAM0036 with wrong black dial

Items short are

1.) Sausage numerals dial with correct L swiss L spacing (not too near to the "6" hour marker)
2.) SS Crown with decent thickness.

I think this project will take me about 3 to 4 months but I am ok as I enjoy the fun.

Cheers

 

[sattop]

Anyone know where I can get 1B series caseback?

Seen one for the G series but not for the 1B.

 

[maxse]

I just posted pics of a gen 001 in the replica discussion forum. The fonts look way off on the rep yetpeople are saying with mods it oculd be the most accurate PAM. I cant seem to find one with an accurate dial font.

 

[babola]

I just posted pics of a gen 001 in the replica discussion forum. The fonts look way off on the rep yetpeople are saying with mods it oculd be the most accurate PAM. I cant seem to find one with an accurate dial font.

Hmm, not sure I follow...except for the low horizontal bar on letter 'A', and slightly thinner font on recent 111F/G series reps, the font is as close to 1:1 as you'd get on any PAM rep these days.

babola

 

[taiji]

One more item found today. It is a "B" series caseback and I actually forgot about it totally until this thread is discussed. I bought it during a trip to Malaysia about a year ago.

Except for the dial and crown, all parts are ready.

 

[maxse]

guys; any advice on how I can go about procurring an 001B series caseback?