Palp Crow ... beautifull but accurate ????

[Golfman]

Almost everything is in the title ....
I ordered a davidsen 2mm crown for my 005, and when it arrived it seems to be exactly what i already have on the watch. Then i remember the famous Palp Crown.... but just a question : they look awsome on pics than i have found on the forum but for my 005 a palp crown is it accurate ??????
Thanks for you help :wink:

 

[kruzer00]

If you are talking the 2.1's the short answer is no. They are too thick. But where they work beautifully is if you have the usual rep CG with too large an inner hole. It balances it off beautifully.

 

[babola]

If you are talking the 2.1's the short answer is no. They are too thick. But where they work beautifully is if you have the usual rep CG with too large an inner hole. It balances it off beautifully.

Exactly what Kruzer said, recent Luminor 44mm reps come with the CG slightly larger than they used to be, resulting in larger hole between the inner lever tip and the crown, when lever is closed against crown.

This little 'problem' rep makers simply "fixed" by leaving the crown stems a little longer so that the crown sits a bit further away from the case to be able to provide enough resistance against the inner lever tip. The result was the unsightly gap between the crown and the case, sometimes up to a millimeter wide, where it should be somewhat closer to 0.5mm.

Palp thick crown offsets the gap, since it's slightly thicker than the standard rep crown as well as gen crown.

Just go for it, it's expensive but worth the $$ IMO !

cheers,
babola

 

[hooligan]

I've said this before and I'm sure I'll say it again. DSN's crowns are the correct width (~2mm), the problem is that the bevel on the edges of the teeth is too aggresive, removing too much material, thus making the crown *appear* too narrow.

 

[CISO1969]

He's pretty open to suggestions and input--has anyone told him this directly?

CISO

 

[hooligan]

He's pretty open to suggestions and input--has anyone told him this directly?

CISO

I know Enzo gives DSN input about upgrades/improvements to be made. I suspect some of the other "elder statesmen" from this and other forums do as well. I have no doubts that it has been pointed out. DSN may even be planning to upgrade them, but the question is at which priority level? Surely updating dial fonts and other improvements will be higher on the list than slightly improving an already respectable crown...

 

[tourby]

yes palp crowns are incorrect.

the gen crowns looks different and they are not so close on case like palp crowns...

but this palp crowns are also AMAZING

here a pic of palp crown on my 112

 

[CISO1969]

I think it's humorous that we state they are incorrect--yet amazing

I have tow of the Palp crowns which I purchased based on all the great feedback on them only to see a lot of folks say they are too thick.

I then heard that Palp was also producing a correct thickness version?

Any info on the CG's that were being considered on RWG?

CISO

 

[Golfman]

This little 'problem' rep makers simply "fixed" by leaving the crown stems a little longer so that the crown sits a bit further away from the case to be able to provide enough resistance against the inner lever tip. The result was the unsightly gap between the crown and the case, sometimes up to a millimeter wide, where it should be somewhat closer to 0.5mm.

You have just write what i see on my 005





To resume i probably have the right (or almost) thick crown, but a too large CG..... If it's right, it calls the second question : can i find a correct CG ??

If not Palp crown seems to be a good alternative (for the look anyway).

 

[babola]

This little 'problem' rep makers simply "fixed" by leaving the crown stems a little longer so that the crown sits a bit further away from the case to be able to provide enough resistance against the inner lever tip. The result was the unsightly gap between the crown and the case, sometimes up to a millimeter wide, where it should be somewhat closer to 0.5mm.

You have just write what i see on my 005

To resume i probably have the right (or almost) thick crown, but a too large CG..... If it's right, it calls the second question : can i find a correct CG ??

If not Palp crown seems to be a good alternative (for the look anyway).

Yes mate, your pics show the exact issue I'm talking about. The recent CG's are simply too big, and all the S/S and Ti 44mm Luminor reps I acquired new in the last 6 months came like this.
It seems there's a single factory producing these CGs, so they will all be the same.

The bottom line is, Palp crown will "fix" that gap, the inner crown 'disc' is slightly thicker than on the standard rep crown, so the lever will sit nicely and snug against it

babola

 

[ssalxpanerai]

All you guys said are exactly correct. It is the proportional between crown and CG. Here is the example that I did on my titinium crown from DVN. The DVN Ti crown is 1.95 mm thick.

Here is the photo of the same model of crown. One on the left is replaced with DVN crown.

And here is the watch after finished.

Another way round, if there is enough room between lever and case, then grind down the CG is also possible without changing to 2.1 crown. Then I further grind off the CG by 0.2 mm and the result is just a little bit more improvement. This grinding is done on grinding machine, not by hand.

Here is another angle that may see more obvious on improvement.

However, I think if 2.1 crown is available, it will be an easy way to improve. Changing the crown is much easier than grind off the CG. I will try to grind off another SS model CG when I have time. Have to select the CG that the lever is off the case so it will still seat correct on CG after grind off.

Note that this is the standard body with standard CG. Only crown is from DVN. Lastly, I remember DVN said in his post of crown that his crown has 48 teeth but I think the gen one has 50 teeth. If anyone has this information please confirm. Because I also plan to make my own 2.1 crown. Now looking for sourcing.

Hope this help.

 

[ssalxpanerai]

Note that DVN used to have a good combination of crown and CG. But his parts vary from batch to batch and cannot really keep up with the consistency offer. Here is the crown and CG that I got from DVN about a year back. I really love this combination but don't see it in his recent offer anymore.

However this combination is good for modern PAM. If I can get the 2.1 crown I would replace it on this model together with another CG. The Pre-V seems to have wider crown than the modern PAM.

 

[Golfman]

Thanks all for your help, explanations and pics to materialize the words
Even if the palp crown size is not the real one, the look is really great (thx tourby for pics)

At the end, i realise how much we are all mad, crazy about our Pam, certainly much more than guys with their gen :lol: ..... I must think about all this now, need to play golf to have clear idea :wink:

 

[JOEJOEJOE]

It's also the angle at which it's beveled...

Gen crown seems to be beveled at very slight angle, making it more like... "L"

rep crowns look bit more rounded around the edges, making it look thinner.