I acquired a Cali 448 Z-Factory Superclone from one of our most T, TD's, and it's been a nightmare from day one. The watch is visually flawless but the P3000 movement (which if we've read-up here at RWI, is not actually a P3000 but a very well-engineered and similar design) has been problematic from the beginning. For me, it started with the gears skipping at winding. You wind, (and it's a hard wind) and wind and you can feel the gears are not gripping the mainspring. Finally, the watch is wound and I get about 3 days. But a few weeks in, I'm winding and I hear a long zip sound, like the main spring completely releasing. I send the watch back, they claim a replacement of the movement but it's the same movement. They simply re-attached the main spring and the watch gears still slip when winding. It's going to happen again. I'm wondering if anyone else has had any P3000 problems. Can other P3000 owners testify that they just wind their watches and life is good? Anyone else have a problem with "gear-slipping" when winding? So far, this nightmare started in December, 3 month turn-around with the TD, and we're back to square one. Contacted the TD and have not heard back. And this is one of our better PAM dealers. Sorry for baring my soul here folks but I'm wondering if I'm the only one with a P3000 problem or if others have experienced the same thing. I have bought many high-end reps (mostly PAMS) but this is the first lemon. All thoughts are welcome.
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P3000 Movement Nightmare / Serious Probs, Could Use Advice.
- Thread starter jakeslatnesky
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Well the p.3000 clone is a b***h. Very hard to repair because there are no parts available.
That sounds like one gear is stripped or not in place.
These are the gears I'm talking about.
A service could be the solution if a gear is not in place but there is no guarantee.
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That sounds like one gear is stripped or not in place.
These are the gears I'm talking about.
A service could be the solution if a gear is not in place but there is no guarantee.
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This is an amazing reply. Plus a photo! This is why RWI is such an amazing community. Thank you, watch movement Genius. / Nobody is going to service this for me, I'm just going to see if the TD will take the watch back a second time.
Its a bad movement. I had 2 othes pam with same problem. Lose winding alone.
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Never beard about these flaws. I always thought the P3000 was a fine working movement. I think I got lucky with mine then.
Thank you to those who have taken the time to reply. So, what is the lesson? Well, first we wake up and remember that these watches, even the best dealers, even the best reps, are not the real thing. We love to convince ourselves (I certainly do) that it's the real thing, but that's just in my head. Second, we learn that most of these reps, if we do our homework, are fine. Sometimes we love the watch so much that we either upgrade them ourselves or we pay someone to do it. But just like cars, girlfriends and anything else, sometimes there's a lemon. Update: the TD has agreed to TAKE THE WATCH BACK AGAIN! wow! So, I will send it back tomorrow, wait another 3 months and maybe he'll replace the movement this time or the watch. We shall see. Thanks again to my RWI friends.
Yes... wise words. I think of my reps as the real thing. I tell myself.... they are steel watches made with care to look just like the real gens. so I love them that way.
in my mind.... a steel watch is a steel watch.... so if it looks like the real thing.....and keeps good time.... it IS 99% the real thing.
BUT.... you are right. the wake up call is when something like this happens. lol
THEN.... it's back to the reality of what they really are. LOL
I often think... OMG.... I love this watch so much ( whichever one I am wearing) .... I want to have it forever.
HA ! YEAH right ! as IF !
but.....that's the way you think when you have a gen.... that maybe you CAN have it forever.... and take to the dealer to be lovingly looked after if need be.
with reps..... maybe you can have it a while.... then maybe you just have to buy a new one.... OR... if you are lucky.... you CAN have it a while before things go tits up. LOL
reading a reality check like this one is a sobering reminder about these reps.
I wish you luck with the new watch whenever you get it back. with luck... maybe you will get a good one as a replacement.
let us know.... and thanks again for sharing here.
Got a ZF PAM504 from 2014. Fully winded it and the seconds did not move instantly. Took it 8-10hrs before it start moving again.
Good thing that the TD will repair/replace it.
I got my ZF 605 thursday, gave it a full wind and it's still running. 118 hours allready
I got my ZF 605 thursday, gave it a full wind and it's still running. 118 hours allready
I had face the problem for ZF PAM372 P3000 Super Clone movement as well. I'm use the watch not more than a month. The watch is not working at all. Have to send back to China for repair it.
PAM 127 uses a different movement i.e. the asian 6497 which is known to be a reliable workhorse.
May I know what is the best version for PAM 127? I'm wish to get one on my wrist.
http://puretime01.com/pam127-e-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc.html
http://puretime01.com/pam127-e-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc.html
http://puretime01.com/pam127-e-v6f-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc.html
http://puretime01.com/pam127-e-zf-11-best-edition-on-brown-leather-strap-a6497-with-y-incabloc.html
Like kilo says, the 127 from V6f/KW is the best you can find, except a modded version
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I still considering to get this PAM127 or IWC 500908 Big Pilot 'Petite Price" :smile::smile::smile:
I had disappointed of my ZF PAM372.
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No offence to those who chose the clones, but this is why I have been more than happy with my 6497s with deco plates. Easiest movement under the sun to swap, and cheap to boot.