P.9010 (P.9000) manual winding issue

[teaston]

This morning I went to manual wind my VSF 683 with the “P.9010” movement (which appears to be identical to the P.9000), and every turn made the rotor spin! The rotor spun so fast that the whole watch wobbled violently!

I took the case back off and moved the rotor either way with my finger, which a very quiet clicking sound, then I tried manual winding again and it didn’t spin the rotor anymore. Manual winding still appears to work, but the crown feels stiff to turn.

Does anyone how or why this happened? If anyone can shed any light on this issue or any information on this movement that might be relevant it would be appreciated.

 

[superspark69]

needs a service, it will need a clean and oil and be good as new, scratch that.......better.

 

[teaston]

needs a service, it will need a clean and oil and be good as new, scratch that.......better.

I was hoping that wasn’t going to be the answer, it’s only a couple of months old!

How many watch smiths can even service this movement, from what I can see it’s not based on any ETA movements?

 

[superspark69]

I was hoping that wasn’t going to be the answer, it’s only a couple of months old!

How many watch smiths can even service this movement, from what I can see it’s not based on any ETA movements?

Generally all of the Chinese movements will need a service, they aren't assembled with clean room ethos and care.

Reach out to ado213 here in the uk

 

[teaston]

Generally all of the Chinese movements will need a service, they aren't assembled with clean room ethos and care.

Reach out to ado213 here in the uk

I know what you’re talking about, but I was just hoping that it was maybe something simple like the rotor needs tightening or oiling, the movement seems to run so well on my timegrapher:

 

[michaeljames]

I was just looking for a similar answer here. Just received a 683 a week or two ago as well. However the manual wind doesn’t seem to work at all for me (I wasn’t sure if it was even meant to have it!)

 

[teaston]

I was just looking for a similar answer here. Just received a 683 a week or two ago as well. However the manual wind doesn’t seem to work at all for me (I wasn’t sure if it was even meant to have it!)

How do you mean? Does the crown turn but the seconds hand doesn’t start moving? Mine does that, after winding I have to shake the watch so the rotor moves, then the seconds hand starts moving.

 

[michaeljames]

How do you mean? Does the crown turn but the seconds hand doesn’t start moving? Mine does that, after winding I have to shake the watch so the rotor moves, then the seconds hand starts moving.

As this is automatic, is there actually meant to be a manual wind on this? I'm not sure if I'm being a mega noob here BTW On manual Panerais, it seems you wind but pushing the crown up / clockwise without pulling it out to step 1 or 2... but wondering if this is movement powered only...

 

[teaston]

As this is automatic, is there actually meant to be a manual wind on this? I'm not sure if I'm being a mega noob here BTW On manual Panerais, it seems you wind but pushing the crown up / clockwise without pulling it out to step 1 or 2...

Yes they definitely can be manually wound, just release the crown guard lever and turn the crown. Fully hand winding mine gives almost 42 hours of run time, which seems very good to me, slightly more than my A2836 reps, and 4 hours more than my gen calibre 16 Tag Carrera!

 

[michaeljames]

Yes they definitely can be manually wound, just release the crown guard lever and turn the crown. Fully hand winding mine gives almost 42 hours of run time, which seems very good to me, slightly more than my A2836 reps, and 4 hours more than my gen calibre 16 Tag Carrera!

Cool. I’ll give that another try when it runs out. Will
make sure mines not faulty. If for some reason it doesn’t work for me, would you imagine faulty or just needs an immediate service?

unless I have to do like you mentioned. Wind then give it a shake start! How many turns do you give the crown btw?

 

[teaston]

Cool. I’ll give that another try when it runs out. Will
make sure mines not faulty. If for some reason it doesn’t work for me, would you imagine faulty or just needs an immediate service?

unless I have to do like you mentioned. Wind then give it a shake start! How many turns do you give the crown btw?

To make sure it’s fully wound I do 40-50 turns.

If manual winding doesn’t work then it’s probably faulty, and ideally all asian movements need a service.

 

[runitbackturbo]

To make sure it’s fully wound I do 40-50 turns.

If manual winding doesn’t work then it’s probably faulty, and ideally all asian movements need a service.

sorry for hijacking this thread, but I have a PAM 000 which I am unsure of the age and factory as I bought it second hand a while ago. It has a manual 6497 movement and if I wind it up 40-60 clicks, it only lasts around 3 hours before needing to be wound up again. Do you have any idea what the fault may be? would I be better off with just a new movement?


also, can you recommend anyone in the UK to carry out rep pan repairs?


many thanks

 

[mysterio]

sorry for hijacking this thread, but I have a PAM 000 which I am unsure of the age and factory as I bought it second hand a while ago. It has a manual 6497 movement and if I wind it up 40-60 clicks, it only lasts around 3 hours before needing to be wound up again. Do you have any idea what the fault may be? would I be better off with just a new movement?


also, can you recommend anyone in the UK to carry out rep pan repairs?


many thanks

Please wind the crown until the crown resists being wound any further (which means the movement is fully wound, don't force it). Then measure the amount of power reserve. Number of clicks is not a precise measure. You may not have wound the watch enough. The A6497 is a very common movement, any watchmaker should be able to check and fix what's wrong with it. If you really want a trusted modder here, please check their section for someone based in the UK. Good luck.

 

[johnlogan]

I had the same issue with my 9010. I had to send it out for service. I’m not a movement guy but I had to change a “spring” and another thing. It’s was super quick for the right watchsmith.

The 9010 like the GEN need winding to work properly unlike 7750!

 

[runitbackturbo]

Please wind the crown until the crown resists being wound any further (which means the movement is fully wound, don't force it). Then measure the amount of power reserve. Number of clicks is not a precise measure. You may not have wound the watch enough. The A6497 is a very common movement, any watchmaker should be able to check and fix what's wrong with it. If you really want a trusted modder here, please check their section for someone based in the UK. Good luck.

thanks for the advice, pleased to announce I am in fact an idiot and it worked perfectly!

 

[mysterio]

thanks for the advice, pleased to announce I am in fact an idiot and it worked perfectly!

Great to hear that it worked perfectly

 

[speedomega]

Had a similar thing happen to my 386, despite being relatively new as well. Either you've wound it enough or it needs to be serviced.

 

[Gexwh]

Hello guys.
Had the same issue. I serviced myself the watch. You should look at this piece, which prevent the rotor to spin back
If you are doing that, take the opportunity to grease the rotor, which often make some noise on P9010.

 

[teaston]

Hello guys.
Had the same issue. I serviced myself the watch. You should look at this piece, which prevent the rotor to spin back
If you are doing that, take the opportunity to grease the rotor, which often make some noise on P9010.

Thanks for the info! So what is the issue with that part, and what can be done to prevent it happening?

 

[Gexwh]

Thanks for the info! So what is the issue with that part, and what can be done to prevent it happening?

The piece slide on the teeth when winding. It should be freely moving. If the piece is screwed too tight, then it won't be able to move and work properly.