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Nice how he hides the date wheel and Breitling logo. SOB. Has two of them hey?
 

fakemaster

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Well the worst part is they're not even blackbirds. They're some kind of bastardized subdial version of the BCE.
 

Klink

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booty

or beauty

or?

lol

is up to psting poster to figure

an some can do so

others never ever will able

be..

me?

lol

fingerpaint!

K

Life is Good!

8)
 

brtelec

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Ok Klink I beleive. If you can not trust an old fallshirmjager who can you trust!
 

Klink

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only probelem

years of discovery and ambition coupling with life

have prove EVERYONR

no worth of trust..

some exceptions do

apply..

lol

Life is Good!

Klink
 

Klink

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Reported..

seems such smae dude so freako obvious..

Life is Good!

Klink

is no seller to balme.. no

is F**Bay that making money by ignore common

decency..

Life is Good!

Klink

:D
 

fakemaster

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1998 my ass. Everyone knows the Blackbird, ahem BCE didn't exist in the 90's. Only the Chronomat did. Everyone did know that right? :shock:
 

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Sorry to break up your party guys, but this is a scan of Breitling Chronolog 5 - circa 1997 !

blackbird.jpg
 

fakemaster

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Nice pic Importr. I am familiar with that design. But we were discussing the fact that the ones he is advertising are not Blackbirds. And whether they are gen or not.
 

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Yes I know that, but my point was that I am saying that the auction is for a genuine Blackbird.
 

POTR

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It looks right to me...

The Blackbird was first released as a special edition Chronomat in 1998 and was officially in the Breitling catalog in 1999...

The only issues I have with this watch are the seller's (and Breitling's) weights and measures...

This Blackbird is supposed to be is 40.5mm (not including crown) and is supposed to be 14.7mm thick, however, there is some question as to whether or not the "official "measurements are accurate... there is also some question as to whether or not the seller is using an accurate measuring device...

The model number on the caseback is correct for the first year of production for this watch...

That is almost definitely Gen, and I would pay double the current bid for it, if I were in a position to... guaranteed rare bird with rarer price in a few more years...


P.S.--- What would anyone think looking at a Blue Angels LE on eBay (Titanium, Ana-digi Sonic Minute Repeater, 100 made, 25 sold to public) when the only one most know is the Blue Angels LE 96 Montbrillant in 18K ?
 

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I don't think this is a fake Breitling... Just happened that its poor presentation of covering the datewindow and logo as well as poor picture kinda gave it a questionable position. Like POTR said, I am pretty sure it's the real deal too.
 

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I'm only going off of my book that I have here. My problem is his model number. the ones from this run should be stamped A13350 with a serial of 55408 not 38051. And in his picture the bracelet does not appear to taper to 18mm at the clasp. This was also a limited production. Yet this guy has TWO of them? Both of which were worn 10 times each? Additionally the serials would indicate that the ones he has were produced several years earlier. Either way these would be worth a lot more and should be up with a reserve. Maybe I'm wrong but something seems funny.
 

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Ok... question... what makes more sense... dude is selling a rep no one ever heard of... or dude bought bracelets because he didn't like or wore out the leather straps that they probably came on?

Remember, that canal street fantasy shit that this would have to be if fake, doesn't get anywhere close to looking gen... and there are lots of people like me that change out nearly every strap they ever tried for stainless bracelets...

Yeah, he wrote one story, and made it sound as good as he knows how (only drove it on Sundays to church) and sold two watches cut and paste because they were similar... how many other computer wonks, ebayers, lawyers, doctors, etc... do the same thing every day to save time and effort?

Why should there be a reserve? And why should they be higher? "No one" recognizes what they are yet... Gilbert, Engle and Shugart don't even have them listed... and have other chronomats of the period listed cheap... hell, they still have "Bond" subs listed under $10K in their 2008 price lists... there isn't a fully realized market for these yet... but there will be... THAT is where you have the chance to make an investment... like all investments, it will involve an element of risk... but... protect yourself... these watches are almost surely Gen... and will almost surely appreciate in value once the Blackbird is a classic... maybe not as much as an original Explorer or Milgauss or Sub... but they will definitely be up there as FIRST YEAR OF ISSUE watches...

Remember serials aren't exact as to published dates... and cases can sit in supply stores for a year or two before being used... who is to say that the Blackbird wasn't dreamed up one day just to get rid of a pile of chronomat cases that were sitting because demand was lower than projections?

Really Fakey... not everything that looks like it might be too good to be true is a fake. And not every variable can be found in a reference, or even ten...
 

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If it were anyone but you POTR I would be thinking we were having an argument rather than a sprited debate.You're one of the few guys that gets it.

The 97/98 model year was not the first for the Blackbird. But It was a pivotal year for sure with the introduction of the 25 jewel version of the 7750. The thought that this particular incarnation could have been an afterthought definitely has validity. After Ernest Schneider bought the company it still limped along for a good decade. So in the early 90's he kind of whored the brand out to anyone who wanted to commision a special edition of the GT Chronomat. There were tons of them. The Lancaster, the RAF, hell there was even a series of NBA models. The BB was just another variation of the design. In fact it is identical to the Alfa Romeo other than the label. Fortunately, the company has gotten itself back on track and is right back up there with the rest of the elite watchmakers.

I'm not saying this guy is selling a rep for sure and wouldn't care if he is. caveat Emptor I always say. I just think something seems weird. Maybe the guy has just made a mistake with his identification. One things for sure though. Breitling would have produced at most, a few hundred pieces for a special edition. So based on the stuff he's sold in the past, the chances that this guy has two of them is nearly impossible. I think he's probably listing the same watch twice.

Oh by the way. On the bracelet question. How could he have worn them out if they have been worn 10 times? Hmm. and if said bracelets or bands were changed then ala Paneristi, is it truly a gen anymore?