Ok, it's time to start planning

[pugwash]

Rather than make a decision in the void, I thought I'd once more impose upon you for help in what to me is a huge decision.

My First Panerai.

I have been listening to you, in particular Roeod4, for advice on what to get and I'm now down to a few models.

My current picks are PT's Black Seal or his 111h. If PT's are not super accurate, I may even go to the $110 Silix versions of these watches.

I have zero interest in anything modern-looking or with the OP logo in the dial, as I think it's silly-looking, but I do feel I have got to the point where I need a Panerai. I'm even ok with getting a hubcap-sized one that needs half a cow to keep it on my wrist, as long as it's got that old-style look and typography. Oh, and I like the look of sandwich dials, but it's not a deal-breaker.

So, are there any models I've missed, like the Marina Militare that keeps showing up in PT's Raffle? Which one comes with the Rolex-engraved movement, cos I liked that, too.

 

[ohmycocker]

hi, how do u define modern looking? So if u think that the 111h is your choice now, why not 036? Anyway, if u want as close as possible to the gen, that's one of it apart from 111h.

Anyway, u need to fix the recessed cannon, relume right? Y not adjust the L Swiss L into T Swiss T as well? Just IMHO.

 

[pugwash]

Anyway, u need to fix the recessed cannon, relume right? Y not adjust the L Swiss L into T Swiss T as well? Just IMHO.

No chance. I have no intention of sending it off to make it more accurate. I want one I can buy and wear.

If the expensive ones aren't that accurate, I'll get a cheap one.

What's an 036 then? Imagine you're talking to a complete n00b, because you are.

 

[Cucumber_Jones]

I don't think Panerai is for you....

 

[pugwash]

I don't think Panerai is for you....

What an unusual piece of advice. :shock:

 

[higgy]

I think it's probably time to quit agonizing. Print a picture of the two you mentioned and pin them on the wall. Stand back...throw a dart...order the one you hit. No stress and either will be a good choice. :lol:

Higgy 8)

 

[Edge]

Black Seal or 111h??



VERY SIMPLE! DEFINATELY a silix 111h, the case quality and general attributes of the watch are identical to the expensive ones but they are 110 due to the CN movement. I have one and love it, it's quite noisy but the movement works perfectly. IF you need any other references, ask Veni....Mr Panerai Man.....he has more than one CN Silix Pam and will advise anyone to get one.

Chris

 

[pugwash]

VERY SIMPLE! DEFINATELY a silix 111h

Ok, and which one is the 111h on their site? Any chance of a link? I think I'm more than convinced at this point.

 

[Edge]

Jees oh.....spon fed or what lol.

PAM 111h

 

[pugwash]

Jees oh.....spon fed or what lol.

Well, seeing as Silix don't call it a 111h, a n00b like me cannot spot it easily, especially with their tracle-powered site. :shock:

Thanks, Chris.

 

[Roeod4]

Actually, I will go a different direction than I normally would on this.

Knowing what you like and knowing what you are looking at I will say get the 111H.

This model will have the signature crown guard and be 44 mm. There will be a larger variety of straps to purchase and it won't be too big. The one from PT looks great too.

Flaws - It will have a recessed cannon pin and need better lume, but that is about it.

If the flaws are a problem and you would prefer to go cheaper then you can get the 111H from Silix with the same flaws and the Unitas C movement.

I think you will be happiest with the 111 as your first. Then when you are getting your 4th or 5th PAM, you can get the 183. :wink:

 

[Edge]

Actually I believe that Silix are now offering the CN movement with the recessed pin fix thanks to Veni.

Def go for the 111 from Silix it's MUCH cheaper and just as good.

Hereby Endorsed by ME and loads of other members who were part of the RWG UK Group Buy. Excellent Piece even better price.





OH! Silix are away til 08/05/06, so you wont get a reply till then, apart from their automated we're away response lol.

Chris

 

[Roeod4]

Nope, no pin fix yet.

I asked them last week. I have been talking to them about a couple of watches.

I had not seen you post when I posted and I do agree with you.

@Pugsy

Silixs - 111H with CN Unitas movement for $110 + good TC strap = best thing for you.

 

[exper]

After having read your recent posts about Panerai, I am surprised to see you are going for one. If the only reason you want to get one is to say "I got one, and they suck" then the silix one is probably worth it more for the money. If you are actually looking for something reliable and top notch then PT's Swan version is quite good, though Silix's is also great but PT's is the slightly pricer version with the AR coating and so forth - neither have a fixed recessed pin though and I believe PT's is on a special at the moment Just be carefull and don't get bitten by the Pam bug - it wont look too good

 

[pugwash]

After having read your recent posts about Panerai, I am surprised to see you are going for one. If the only reason you want to get one is to say "I got one, and they suck" then the silix one is probably worth it more for the money.

My gripe about Panerai is the modern TAG-alikes. They suck, imho. Nothing wrong with some people liking them, but I don't. My gripe is with how they've debased their pure clean design by throwing a commitee at it.

I've always liked the old-style PAMs, in their big-squareness, and have always stated that they have the finest typography on ANY watch. Roeod4 and Edge seem to understand my tastes and I will be buying a 111h on their recommendation, and it will be a cherished and worn watch. I'd not spend cash on a watch I'd not wear.

 

[pugwash]

Silixs - 111H with CN Unitas movement for $110 + good TC strap = best thing for you.

Slam Dunk. Two for two. Sold. Etc.

As soon as they're back from their hols, it's in the bag.

 

[Roeod4]

Good

I am actually waiting on them too.

I need a few more PAMs myself.

 

[pugwash]

This thread shows further that same confusion. The two choices of Paneria, the 111H and 183H or G are modern Panerais ... they are called Historic by Vendome, but they are remakes and "designed by committee" model watches. (I'm using your retoric, not mine, I like both these model watches.) Both however are idealised Panerais. They've both been shrunk down from the original Vintage models they are copied from, so it's very hard to understand.

Um, ok. I think you'll find I've been rather consistent in my taste. You're assuming far too much knowledge on my part though. While I like that you think I know so much, I really don't.

What I call "design by comittee" are the Slytech and Ferrari styles. The chronos that lose the simplicity or the "let's add complications, because they sell". The vintage designs are what I like, whether they're hommages or re-issues, or whatever else.

It's not about purism, it's about the design.

In retrospect, despite all your claims of what you like and dislike - the two best choices for you are the 111 or 183, and I'd say your leaning toward the 183 camp of style - those Vendome marketing wonks know how to design a marketable watch.

Despite, or because of?

I'm not trying to say I've not been conflicting to an expert, but I've been fairly consistent as a n00b. I can see a Panerai and say "I like it" or "I dislike it" and remain fairly consistent, but I won't be able to tell you whether or not it's new, old or vintage ... unless it's obviously a new design I dislike.

 

[crumpdaddy]

Pugs this is for you chief

http://www.viapaneristi.com/wonderfulstraps.htm

 

[pugwash]

Pugs this is for you chief

Yay, I can start talking like a non-n00b very soon.

Thanks, matey-boy