Noob question: Is this 6497 asian or swiss?

[Steve Podborski]

I did search, but I can't tell from the discussion in this thread (http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14498) whether the movement shown is asian or swiss. Does the C before the 6497 stand for "Chinese"?

And for my future reference, what does CDG stand for?

Thanks to anyone who can help.

 

[CISO1969]

CDG= "Cotes de geneve" or the styl;e of finsih to the plates on the movement.

I used to believe that you could tell by the spokes on the gear (not sure what gear--but there is a FAQ for movement parts names on the board) --the one that tapers towards center and is fat near wheel edge in your photo. But guys have told me that isn't a truism anymore. I defer to the more knowledgeable as I'd like to know the definitive way myself.

CISO

 

[tootall]

I am 99% sure the one shown is a Chinese movement. I can't give a definite answer without a better picture of the hairspring, and maybe a micro shot or two of the ETA stamping.

 

[leftydna]

Technically any ETA movement with Panerai markings that is not genuine is an Asian (Chinese probably) movement. The question really is, is it just overworked bridges on a genuine ETA or is the whole movement a rep. Another factor to remember is there are genuine Asian (Chinese) ETA movements! So starting with the premise that the movement has Paneria or some other manufacturer's logos and assuming it is not genuine, that leaves 2 possibilites: 1. Genuine ETA movement with Chinese Bridges or 2. Entire movement is Chinese.

That being said there are various qualities of 100% Chinese ETA COPY movements. Some are good and some are, well Shite! My personal opinion is that the majority of movements promoted by our dealers as ETA are no longer Genuine ETA but just the high quality ETA copies!

P.S. I'm with tootall, I think the movement pictured is an ETA copy (Chinese) BUT I think it's one of the high quality ones. So since I'm in the market, who had this movement for sale?
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[Steve Podborski]

Thanks guys.

The movement in the photo above actually belongs (belonged?) to Vaccum. I only used this photo because it's a detailed photo of the same movement that I got in a watch I recently bought.

That watch was said to contain a "Swiss swan neck movement." I paid a premium for the "swiss" and I'm wondering if I got what I paid for. I'll be taking some detailed shots of the actual movement in my watch this evening and I'll post them here. It might be hard for me to get macro level shots of the ETA stamp (if any) but I'll do my best with the point and shoot camera I have.

 

[RqThrottle]

That's 100% Chinese.

 

[Steve Podborski]

Ugh. I can't find any tool to get the caseback open, so here's a gigantic photo thru the back crystal. My camera isn't so good for pictures like this, obviously...

I couldn't stop the top gold-colored wheel from spinning, but it's shaped like the one in the first (vaccum) picture, with the flared ends at the outside of the spokes.

I'll try to post another picture when I find a way to get this caseback off without wrecking it.

 

[pugwash]

If I had to guess, I'd say Swiss with Chinese plates.

 

[tootall]

That picture is clear enough without removing the caseback. That's an Asian Eta copy/clone. Also the "blued" screws are only painted not actually blued.

 

[Steve Podborski]

So that's one vote for Swiss/Chinese and three votes for 100% Chinese.

Is there any way to tell for sure, once I get the case open?

 

[tootall]

So that's one vote for Swiss/Chinese and three votes for 100% Chinese.

Is there any way to tell for sure, once I get the case open?

I can tell "for sure" from the picture you posted. It's Chinese. No need to remove the caseback. Swiss/Chinese does not mean it can be sold as Swiss.

Furthermore, the one in the top picture (vaccum's) is a re worked movement. Yours isn't as nice as that one. Your blue screws aren't blued, just model paint.

 

[TT-Bobby]

This one is 100% gen! I thik there is no comment needed anymore...

 

[vaccum]

I did search, but I can't tell from the discussion in this thread (http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14498) whether the movement shown is asian or swiss. Does the C before the 6497 stand for "Chinese"?

And for my future reference, what does CDG stand for?

Thanks to anyone who can help.

Hey........... that's my pic.....

it's asian copy no ETA stamps

vaccum

 

[sumwatchguy]

follow-up noob question

First post here so I hope this isn't a rediculous question....
I'm wondering why on rep movements such as this, the "Officine Panerai" movement engraving is always colored in blue?
I've tried to check against gen movements and it seems they are all colored in gold?
It seems that would be a very simple change to make it look more gen.
Unless I'm missing something.

 

[Jurgenk]

Technically any ETA movement with Panerai markings that is not genuine is an Asian (Chinese probably) movement. The question really is, is it just overworked bridges on a genuine ETA or is the whole movement a rep. Another factor to remember is there are genuine Asian (Chinese) ETA movements! So starting with the premise that the movement has Paneria or some other manufacturer's logos and assuming it is not genuine, that leaves 2 possibilites: 1. Genuine ETA movement with Chinese Bridges or 2. Entire movement is Chinese.
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So the bridges are obviously reworked regardless of whether this is being sold as Asian 6497 or "Swiss Unitas" 6497, in order to apply the PAM markings and CDG patterns.

If that is the case, the blue screws are a modification required for both "asian" and "swiss" base movements.

So i don't know how painted screws vs. solid blue screws indicate the origin of the starting movement, just the quality of the modifications.

Can someone clarify?

 

[sweet]

Re: follow-up noob question

First post here so I hope this isn't a rediculous question....
I'm wondering why on rep movements such as this, the "Officine Panerai" movement engraving is always colored in blue?
I've tried to check against gen movements and it seems they are all colored in gold?
It seems that would be a very simple change to make it look more gen.
Unless I'm missing something.

Gen isn't gold. hxxp://www.panerai.com/img/2/prodotti/d ... ta_3_g.jpg

 

[sumwatchguy]

Thanks Sweet,
I must have been looking at the wrong movement.
Im just getting into Pams and trying to get a handle on the movements/markings.
I really want to get a display back and although I don't need perfection, i don'twant the movement to SCREAM rep. I feel better to see it in the ballpark.
This forum is a HUGE help. I think i'll be pulling the trigger on a 111h real soon.
Thanks again.

 

[stolikat]

The problem here is that isnt davidson selling all his reps as gen swiss movmnt? They are clear chinese fakes with an inverted logo on the bridge. I cant pay 300+ for chinese junk. I would rather buy an invicta with a real swiss movmnt for that price. WTF is the use of buying a junk movmnt if the first time that it takes a hit it quits?

 

[horologie_unitas]

Stolikat,
well....3 contris....you have no clue what you are talking about. just because the bridges are not correct does not say anything about the origin of movement -
before you keep talking about facts you have no clue about. ( obviously )....you should rather read into the subject before making those statements.

 

[Yannou]

Stolikat,
well....3 contris....you have no clue what you are talking about. just because the bridges are not correct does not say anything about the origin of movement -
before you keep talking about facts you have no clue about. ( obviously )....you should rather read into the subject before making those statements.

That's right HU..Hi

Sent a PAM 217 to TWP for a relumed and he said to me that my Swiss w/ swan neck movment was a good one but the bridge was incorrect (they just inverse the mov for the 217..) :wink: