New to this Forum (not to rolex)

[superkarter260]

Hello. Uk Based
ive got a genuine Submariner Z series in rolesium had for a number of years.
I Recently bought a Deepsea in black/Blue from an instagram seller. (before i found this website). The visual quality compared to mine in a few aspects i must say is very good (apart from edge softness and a few minor differences. on the wrist and taken off to an untrained eye wouldn't suspect a copy

The problem with the watch is that when moving side to side to create a wind in the watch, the internal parts are exceptionally noisy. You can hear it from a meter away. when static the sound is very quiet (similar to my Gen) and only heard in a very quiet room pressed hard against your ear.

It has since recently been pin pointed to be a Noob. (it was around $600) the seller said they all make that sound even original (not true)

my first question is are all the top end clone watches with the better movements prone to this. ???????
it would be embarrassing to wear tbh

im in the market for a Daytona and DateJust 41 in green textured and maybe as a flash a fully wrapped gold watch for fun special time wear

regards

 

[Feefo]

Hi and welcome to RWI! Glad you found your way here.

Wearing my vsf sub no date right now. Can barely hear the rotor even when shaking.

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[p0pperini]

If you want to upgrade your DSSD D-Blue to a better, more gen-like version, then get one by AR Factory (ARF). The overall quality will be way better than your old Noob, and the dial is far closer to gen (on Noob D-Blues the blue is far too dark and the fade to black is too high up the dial).

 

[superkarter260]

If you want to upgrade your DSSD D-Blue to a better, more gen-like version, then get one by AR Factory (ARF). The overall quality will be way better than your old Noob, and the dial is far closer to gen (on Noob D-Blues the blue is far too dark and the fade to black is too high up the dial)

from what ive learn so far different factories produce the best version and no particular factory produce the best of everything. ?
So an AFR produce a very good (the best DSSD D-Blue?)

i havnet got an original DSSD to compare the individual aspects too

i know im comparing a DSSD (noob) with a gen submariner... but the general feeling of the watch is much sharper of the noob... especially on corners and the rolex crown motif on the clasp..very sharp in comparison
the bezel has slightly more back lag when moved backwards compared to the original. Also the sound is much more "clicky" on the noob when rotating and again the knurl on the bezel is sharper.The rolex etching must be engraved as i can feel it slightly sharp compared with the Gen

overall though wow for a copy in respect to the outer hardware and wouldn't take much for it to be 99.99% accurate instead of maybe 99%

the problem comes when you start to unwind and pull the crown as its sort of either stuck on or then loose and then almost grind as you undo it further . compared to my Gen which is super smooth as soon as you start to unscrew reassuringly soft no grind jerk feeling.
when adjusting the time there is a soft non direct feeling to the noob with lag

and again the worst part to this watch is the noise when shaking (embarrassing)

but i must say if this isn't even the best copy out there (for the mark) and things will only get better over time.. then surly will be a time when the clones will be 100% the original (not yet but never ending improvements)
and where would that leave a manufacturer like rolex?

im looking forward to reading and learning more on this forum

 

[Feefo]

but i must say if this isn't even the best copy out there (for the mark) and things will only get better over time.. then surly will be a time when the clones will be 100% the original (not yet but never ending improvements)
and where would that leave a manufacturer like rolex?

That's nearly impossible. As soon as you open it up the differences will jump at you. Sure they "clone" movements (caveat: don't trust the "clone" definition to 100%...) and engrave them, but the quality of finishing, machining and material here is very different from gen.

 

[superkarter260]

That's nearly impossible. As soon as you open it up the differences will jump at you. Sure they "clone" movements (caveat: don't trust the "clone" definition to 100%...) and engrave them, but the quality of finishing, machining and material here is very different from gen.

hello
my point is 20/30 years ago a fake rolex was terrible...... and look where they are at now...... so maybe the quality in next 20/30 years will be near 100% who knows and nothing is impossible as far as copy engineering goes especially with 3d scanning rapid prototyping printing etc
regards

 

[Feefo]

Point taken, you're right. But this will push gen manufacturers to find new materials and means of production, and there always will be a point where it simply isn't profitable for rep makers to go that far if they can reach 99% and make decent revenues out of that. I'm in a rep forum and I, for one, am unable to distinguish a rep vsf submariner or clean daytona from gen unless I can refer to some (RWI) literature and compare. If the rep price goes any further I'll rather buy a microbrand or a funky vintage watch.

 

[daytona4me]

Welcome to RWI

 

[p0pperini]

You probably got ripped off on the Noob - they made D-Blues for years and you probably got one of the early ones which were still floating around and being sold a couple of years ago for around £160. I’ve owned a couple of them while on my own rep journey. So, it’s good that you found your way here.

With that being your only experience to date of a rep, I expect you’d be completely blown away by the quality of today’s top tier reps (for which you’ll pay less than you paid for that Noob DSSD). They really are practically indistinguishable from the real thing. Only an absolute nerd (of the type you’ll only ever find here) would be able to tell the difference between gen and rep.

 

[McDuck888]

Trusted Dealer Supermirrors' UK stocklist awaits you to further your rep journey ....

 

[Geonor]

Trusted Dealer Supermirrors' UK stocklist awaits you to further your rep journey ....

uk and eu stocklist sep 4th

here is quick list of the eu stock (CAN SHIP ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD) NOTE I WILL SHIP IN ENVELOPE ONE WATCH IN THE PACK ONLY THE WATCH, NOT PLASTIC BOXES OR CARTON BOXEs all prices in us dollars and include shiPping PLEASE IF U TELL ME U WANT TO TAKE AND I SEND U PAYMENT INFO, AND U CHANGE YOUR...

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Is what he meant. Risky to look though knowing the watches are 2-3 days away with Royal Mail domestic shipping

 

[rolex4me]

from what ive learn so far different factories produce the best version and no particular factory produce the best of everything. ?
So an AFR produce a very good (the best DSSD D-Blue?)

i havnet got an original DSSD to compare the individual aspects too

i know im comparing a DSSD (noob) with a gen submariner... but the general feeling of the watch is much sharper of the noob... especially on corners and the rolex crown motif on the clasp..very sharp in comparison
the bezel has slightly more back lag when moved backwards compared to the original. Also the sound is much more "clicky" on the noob when rotating and again the knurl on the bezel is sharper.The rolex etching must be engraved as i can feel it slightly sharp compared with the Gen

overall though wow for a copy in respect to the outer hardware and wouldn't take much for it to be 99.99% accurate instead of maybe 99%

the problem comes when you start to unwind and pull the crown as its sort of either stuck on or then loose and then almost grind as you undo it further . compared to my Gen which is super smooth as soon as you start to unscrew reassuringly soft no grind jerk feeling.
when adjusting the time there is a soft non direct feeling to the noob with lag

and again the worst part to this watch is the noise when shaking (embarrassing)

but i must say if this isn't even the best copy out there (for the mark) and things will only get better over time.. then surly will be a time when the clones will be 100% the original (not yet but never ending improvements)
and where would that leave a manufacturer like rolex?

im looking forward to reading and learning more on this forum

it is a replica.......and nothing else.

 

[superkarter260]

Point taken, you're right. But this will push gen manufacturers to find new materials and means of production, and there always will be a point where it simply isn't profitable for rep makers to go that far if they can reach 99% and make decent revenues out of that. I'm in a rep forum and I, for one, am unable to distinguish a rep vsf submariner or clean daytona from gen unless I can refer to some (RWI) literature and compare. If the rep price goes any further I'll rather buy a microbrand or a funky vintage watch.

i honestly think people would pay £2000 for a 99.99%er in fact it may even capture some of the market that are debt-ing themselves up for a real one. and tbh if it was 100% who would actually ever get a gen?

 

[Geonor]

i honestly think people would pay £2000 for a 99.99%er in fact it may even capture some of the market that are debt-ing themselves up for a real one. and tbh if it was 100% who would actually ever get a gen?

You can already do that with frankens. If you have a great rep case and replace all the other visible bits like dial, hands, bezelz etc, you're at around that mark.

 

[Feefo]

i honestly think people would pay £2000 for a 99.99%er in fact it may even capture some of the market that are debt-ing themselves up for a real one. and tbh if it was 100% who would actually ever get a gen?

People would pay 2000 for 99,99%. Possibly. As @Geonor said there's folks here who spend even more on frankens. The question is, how many people? The amount of people which will be ok with less at a lower price point (and the resulting revenues) is far higher.

 

[superkarter260]

You probably got ripped off on the Noob - they made D-Blues for years and you probably got one of the early ones which were still floating around and being sold a couple of years ago for around £160. I’ve owned a couple of them while on my own rep journey. So, it’s good that you found your way here.

With that being your only experience to date of a rep, I expect you’d be completely blown away by the quality of today’s top tier reps (for which you’ll pay less than you paid for that Noob DSSD). They really are practically indistinguishable from the real thing. Only an absolute nerd (of the type you’ll only ever find here) would be able to tell the difference between gen and rep.

i think your right...i think that's what happened...moral of story dont buy on instagram but here ....cant wait to buy my first for comparisonmaybe a green face DJ41 jubilee - emailed saed