New 616,569 from JF

[Jojo88]

what do u think?

JF 616










JF 569

 

[Vinvin7]

It seems to have a new movement that resembles the gen with quick hour change without adjusting minute hand.
Only regarding the movement, if it probes that is reliable enough is going to be a big hit

 

[Abba Zabba Zoo]

Regarding the 569, the cg lever seems to be wrong: upside down. And the pearl seems to be rather greenish instead of cream/vintage brown. Perhaps the same goes for the indices, but this may be due to lighting.... I wonder what the added value is of this release is (leaving the movement aside) given the excellent KW/V6F version....

 

[Bozz]

The great news is the P9000 clone!!!! http://www.puretime.watch/product/p...ion-on-brown-thick-leather-strap-p9000-clone/

 

[Ruski91]

The PAM game is taking an interesting step forward. I wont pretend to understand the intricacies of the movement so i guess we will wait to here from some movement experts on this new movement. In the rep game, i guess its too soon to call it a clone yet but let us just wait and see.

 

[chris3007]

The movement sounds interesting.
I wonder what movement they use for that.

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[mysterio]

Regarding the 569, the cg lever seems to be wrong: upside down. And the pearl seems to be rather greenish instead of cream/vintage brown. Perhaps the same goes for the indices, but this may be due to lighting.... I wonder what the added value is of this release is (leaving the movement aside) given the excellent KW/V6F version....

I don't think there is any significant improvement from the V6F releases. However for those who have not gotten a PAM569 or a PAM616 yet, the movement upgrade does present a nice option. Being closed caseback means you can operate the watch like the gen without being suspected of wearing a rep. But we'll need real world pictures (and preferably comparisons with the V6F versions) to see whether the new PAMs did not detract from these versions.

 

[Jojo88]

movement p9000 clone.

time date setting same as gen

 

[nalomb]

movement is made by JF P9000 clone.

time date setting same as gen

Insightful commentary.


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[lmmo]

Interesting... the new movement might represent improved versions of the P.9000 with open caseback:
- PAM305
- PAM312
- PAM328
- PAM351
- PAM352
- PAM359
- PAM382
- PAM388
- PAM392
- PAM393
- PAM499
- PAM505
- PAM523


... and probably a few other...

 

[chris3007]

It's still a movement with a p.9000 deco plate. So it's far away from a clone movement!!

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[kilowattore]

The new movement is great news, of course, but it will have to be proven reliable other than close to the gen look. It's still unclear which base movement has been used, but the balance wheel at 9 and the faux escapement wheel are easy tells it's not the p.9000 so it's no solution for open casebacks.

JF is a big player in other brands, known to make quality reps.
If they intend to expand to the PAM market they will have to match the quality of its current competitors, which is the highest. KW, ZF, noob and even H-fac are all making extremely close to gen reps cosmetically. There seems to be a bit of space for improvement in this area.

 

[kampachi]

From first glance, the engraving on the movement looks really good, especially on the rotor.


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[mysterio]

Insightful commentary.


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It's not even an accurate commentary. :lol:
JF did not make the movement. The movement factory (which started this whole project with Noob in 2012) continued to work on this even after Noob bailed out.

 

[jonnyknox]

NOTE: The Video from JF PAM616 shows a defect while setting the independent hour hand, the minute hand does randomly move with it!

Hopefully this is not an epedemic failure or high failure rate for this movement!


http://www.replicawatchvideo.com/wat...?vid=c5137d7ed

Look at minute 3:10!

 

[PeterRei]

An excellent way to promote a new movement...

 

[atespo]

An excellent way to promote a new movement...

I also noticed that in the video, the minute hand was moving along with the hour hand...

:clap_1::loser::shameonyou:

 

[Balosch]

Hope there is a review of that movement soon!!!

 

[ALE7575]

MOVEMENT- it is not a Clone, but a decorated unknown movement with the Balance wheel @9 in dextro wtches and @3 in watches with crown at the right side. No info about the movement base and reliability. Nice inscriptions. Inaccurate bearing cup on rotor. Well finished decoration plates but with an inaccurate balance wheel "hole" (similar to ZFac ZP9000-V2, which was really improved in ZP9000-V2.5). The gen features announced in catalogues regarding hour hand moving separately, seems not to work appropriately as above commented by jonnyknox and atespo and you can see in the video: http://www.replicawatchvideo.com/wat...?vid=c5137d7ed

PAM 616
Carbotech seems to have less marked "zebra effect" but it still has just TWO tones. Nothing new or improved
CG is not accurate and has not chamfered cornes (very noticeable) , CG lever seems very detached from the case
Lume and bezel markers colours don't seem ecru colour but very white.
Caseback has no production number
No enough info about the pearl

PAM 569
I don't see the ecru colour of lume and inscriptions
Bezel knurling is nicely made but the lower chamfered is a bit bigger whereas upper external edge is narrower although well polished.
Worse CG than previous versions and without chamfered enough
No enough info about the pearl

Leaving aside movement, of which we don't have yet info enough, nothing new about improvements

ALE

 

[Balosch]

THX ALE!!! So we need to give them some more Time to improve till it's a better option! :dry: