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My first PAM (pam 904 VSF) - The perfect beginner Panerai?

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So today, A watch (or brand) I assumed I would never own arrived at my door courtesy of Sead of Supermirrors (from his UK stock) and I thought I would share my initial thoughts.

Admittedly, I was almost repulsed by Panerai when I first become interested in watches, due to its bulky size and unusual colourways (on some models), however, that attitude has changed drastically since joining RWI nearly a year ago. The more PAMs I seen the more they grew on me, as I felt they offered something very different to the types of watches I was originally interested in. However, I always assumed I would admire them from afar as my slim wrists often make watches over 41mm a little unrealistic for me to wear comfortably and without looking like I'd strapped a wall clock to my arm. 😅

After some research however and some excellent advice from a few members here, I decided recently to take the plunge and give one a go anyway. I ultimately decided that a 42mm case variant was the best "starter" PAM for me, with the logic that if this was too large then the likelihood is that PAMs just aren't for me. The short (relative to the case size) lug length however makes these watches feel smaller than they are, It is clearly still a 42mm watch and it's noticeable on the wrist, however I feel the balance of the design and wearability are far superior to other 41mm + watches I have tried from brands such as Omega and Breitling.

The watch itself is absolutely beautiful in person, the rhodium sunburst dial in combination with the high polish case and tan strap give this a robust yet also classy look. Whilst I am going off of first impressions my opinion may change, so I am going to wear this watch for a week or so and update my thoughts here. I think for people like me who were concerned by the size, this could potentially be the perfect introductory PAM.

Now my thoughts on how the watch looks are of course just that, my opinion. Therefor for those of you who would like to see and decide for yourself, here are some wrist shots to better visualize how it wears on a smaller than average wrist:








 

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Congrats and welcome to the secret "Paneristi" society ;-)

First of all: there is no right and no wrong here. What others say is completely irrelevant - at least in matters of taste. If you like the watch, it is exactly the right choice. Full stop.
As a great friend of the brand, however, I have to say, purely subjectively(!), that the 42s in general and the reps of the Luminor-Due series in particular are not typical Panerai and therefore cannot really be considered "entry-level models". In the case of the Reps, this is more the case with the widespread 005 and 111 models, both of which are, of course, 44 models.
Maybe you'll get to like the 904 so much that you'll give it a try sometime and simply try out a 44 model. And here too: There is no such thing as "too big". These are - if at all - conventions of taste to which you can adhere but certainly don't have to. What matters is what you like.
 

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Congrats and welcome to the secret "Paneristi" society ;-)

First of all: there is no right and no wrong here. What others say is completely irrelevant - at least in matters of taste. If you like the watch, it is exactly the right choice. Full stop.
As a great friend of the brand, however, I have to say, purely subjectively(!), that the 42s in general and the reps of the Luminor-Due series in particular are not typical Panerai and therefore cannot really be considered "entry-level models". In the case of the Reps, this is more the case with the widespread 005 and 111 models, both of which are, of course, 44 models.
Maybe you'll get to like the 904 so much that you'll give it a try sometime and simply try out a 44 model. And here too: There is no such thing as "too big". These are - if at all - conventions of taste to which you can adhere but certainly don't have to. What matters is what you like.

Thank you! :)

I completely agree, I should clarify that when I mention about PAMs being too large for me, whilst this will be subconsciously driven by external views within the wider watch community, it is mostly inn part due to how comfortable larger watches feel for me to wear. You are absolutely right that if you like a watch you should wear it anyway and that was the driving force behind me purchasing this one!

That is interesting, I have seen this discussed on the forum before but never truly understood why that is, could you explain why the 42's are considered not your typical PAM?

I have read that the PAM 111 is a great entry level PAM, although I was still unsure on whether 44 would be uncomfortable or just too large inn general, although there are multiple 44mm PAMs that I will pick up at some point to see for myself, namely the 111 and some of the GMTs, can't remember exact references but I know that @P..DR..D has 2 that really caught my eye.

As a connoisseur of PAMs yourself ;) what would you suggest from the 44mm line outside those mentioned above for me to try out and keep my eye out for? :)

Appreciate your input by the way mate!
 

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Congrats on popping your Pam cherry K, ya never forget your first

Very very nice watch, so well wear.

The two I have are the 088 & 089 (both 44mm)

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And below have included a picture beside a Casioak and a 116610LN, for a comparison of size if it helps at all.

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My wrist is approx 7-7.25" & depending on the strap, they both sit very comfortably.

I prefer mixing up the straps, although I believe NATO is a big no-no for paneristi :)
 

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That is interesting, I have seen this discussed on the forum before but never truly understood why that is, could you explain why the 42's are considered not your typical PAM?
That´s hard to explain in a few words. It´s the character of traditional Panerai watches. Every brand has a history and the history of Panerai is to build large diver watches. Maybe Oisins nice video helps you to understand, what i mean but cannot explain ;-)
I have read that the PAM 111 is a great entry level PAM, although I was still unsure on whether 44 would be uncomfortable or just too large inn general, although there are multiple 44mm PAMs that I will pick up at some point to see for myself, namely the 111 and some of the GMTs, can't remember exact references but I know that @P..DR..D has 2 that really caught my eye.

As a connoisseur of PAMs yourself ;) what would you suggest from the 44mm line outside those mentioned above for me to try out and keep my eye out for? :)

Appreciate your input by the way mate!
This is a tough question, as it is mainly a matter of taste. But if you have a rather narrow wrist and want to work your way up to large watches first, I can actually only recommend that you pay particular attention to the thickness of the watch. The "old" 312, for example, is 18mm thick, while the otherwise (almost) identical 1312 is only 15.5mm thick. That may not sound like much at first, but on the arm it's really worlds apart. Another factor is the weight. Titanium watches are significantly lighter than steel watches. @P..DR..D ´s 089, for example, is both thin and titanium, so it would certainly be a good "starter" watch, if you like the model.

But ultimately, these are more theoretical questions when it comes to reps, since all the good old reps are pretty much unavailable from the TDs and the current models are often not exactly good reps. Recommended (depending on color) would be VSF's 1312, 1313 and 1314, which sometimes show up as "special items" at some TDs. Personally, I also like HWF's 724 and 732, which are available everywhere - but these are certainly not NWBIG reps, which are hardly different from the gen.

But in the end you have to decide ;-)
You will find lots of reviews here in the RWI-Pam-Section and all the infos you need.
 

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Congrats on popping your Pam cherry K, ya never forget your first

Very very nice watch, so well wear.

The two I have are the 088 & 089 (both 44mm)

zqGIv3.jpg


And below have included a picture beside a Casioak and a 116610LN, for a comparison of size if it helps at all.

zqGYjs.jpg



My wrist is approx 7-7.25" & depending on the strap, they both sit very comfortably.

I prefer mixing up the straps, although I believe NATO is a big no-no for paneristi :)
Thanks P! I've been wearing it today and I'm loving how it wears :)

There seem to be a lot of no-no's with PAMs, I'll have to do some more reading ro avoid angering the PAM gods 😂
 
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That´s hard to explain in a few words. It´s the character of traditional Panerai watches. Every brand has a history and the history of Panerai is to build large diver watches. Maybe Oisins nice video helps you to understand, what i mean but cannot explain ;-)

This is a tough question, as it is mainly a matter of taste. But if you have a rather narrow wrist and want to work your way up to large watches first, I can actually only recommend that you pay particular attention to the thickness of the watch. The "old" 312, for example, is 18mm thick, while the otherwise (almost) identical 1312 is only 15.5mm thick. That may not sound like much at first, but on the arm it's really worlds apart. Another factor is the weight. Titanium watches are significantly lighter than steel watches. @P..DR..D ´s 089, for example, is both thin and titanium, so it would certainly be a good "starter" watch, if you like the model.

But ultimately, these are more theoretical questions when it comes to reps, since all the good old reps are pretty much unavailable from the TDs and the current models are often not exactly good reps. Recommended (depending on color) would be VSF's 1312, 1313 and 1314, which sometimes show up as "special items" at some TDs. Personally, I also like HWF's 724 and 732, which are available everywhere - but these are certainly not NWBIG reps, which are hardly different from the gen.

But in the end you have to decide ;-)
You will find lots of reviews here in the RWI-Pam-Section and all the infos you need.
I see, that actually makes a lot of sense, I think with any brand when you start to fo against the original brand identity there will be push back from the long term lovers of the brand, or "purists" as you will ;)

You are spot on re thickness, I've tried watches in the past with a smaller case size but are too thick and the proportions just feel wrong, even on a 40mm case! I'll certainly consider this when shopping around!

I really appreciate your in depth response, as you say I think I will need to do some more reading and looking around TD sites, I'll use your recommendations as a basis to build from. All this really means is I'll have to buy a load of PAMs to figure out what I like and dislike, what a shame..... ;)

Thanks again mate, much appreciated! (y)
 

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Thanks P! I've been wearing it today and I'm loving how it wears :)

There seem to be a lot of no-no's with PAMs, I'll have to do some more reading ro avoid angering the PAM gods 😂

Nah, they're a friendly bunch.....especially if ya make a 47mm hybrid watch, I know @JayBee0815 really loved it & he likened it to the below iirc 😂

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But joking aside, and J alluded to it above too, ya know my motto, if ya like it, wear it and enjoy it, simples.

You're the one who has to look at it, and am glad you're enjoying it. But ya may need another box if ya delve deeper into another brand 😂
 

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Congrats, looks like a whole new world just opened to you. Good thing, too, that your strap is tapered and not too thick. That makes a big difference and is a factor to be considered imho.

Many people find those thick double layered straps one gets especially for Panerai watches very bulky and stiff on the wrist.
 

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Congrats, looks like a whole new world just opened to you. Good thing, too, that your strap is tapered and not too thick. That makes a big difference and is a factor to be considered imho.

Many people find those thick double layered straps one gets especially for Panerai watches very bulky and stiff on the wrist.

Thank you mate, I'm excited to try out more, although my wallet not so much 😂

The strap is great, I definitely think the double straps many PAM enthusiasts wear would be a bit too big for me, but you never know until you try! I imagine a softer leather, seude (like this one) or nato will be the way to go for me :)
 

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Thank you mate, I'm excited to try out more, although my wallet not so much 😂

The strap is great, I definitely think the double straps many PAM enthusiasts wear would be a bit too big for me, but you never know until you try! I imagine a softer leather, seude (like this one) or nato will be the way to go for me :)
Indeed, a good strap makes all the difference. And what I like about Panerai is that they are extremely versatile. You can change the appearance of the watch completely with just another strap.
 

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Indeed, a good strap makes all the difference. And what I like about Panerai is that they are extremely versatile. You can change the appearance of the watch completely with just another strap.
Don’t get him started on the straps, poor guy will be lost forever :)

OP, congratulations on your first Pam, I had the same feelings when I joined RWI, I didn’t like Panerais, now I sold all my other reps and I only have around 20 Pams :)
 

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Don’t get him started on the straps, poor guy will be lost forever :)

OP, congratulations on your first Pam, I had the same feelings when I joined RWI, I didn’t like Panerais, now I sold all my other reps and I only have around 20 Pams :)
It's too late, I've already started looking through the TD section for strap suppliers..... see you all in a week 😂

Thanks mate! At first I was so confused by the almost cult like following these bulky bois had, but I feel like I'm starting to get it! I can't imagine I will ever go to that extreme, as I am a Daytona guy at heart (as shown in my tagline) but a bit of brand bigamy doesn't hurt anyone right? ;)
 
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Hello. PAM904 is a rather soft entry to PANERAI. There are a lot of 42mm models that make sense to consider, including submersibles, in order to understand what is close to you and what is not. However, at one point, you will need to at least try 44mm. Anyone gets used to this size, and when you do, you will discover the basic variety of designs, colors, patterns, etc.

And yes, I don't think it should be PAM111. Choose any that will attract you with the design. If you are confused by the size, then take a dark (black dial), satin case (preferably titanium), and perhaps not an automatic model (they are thicker in most cases). For example, the PAM177/PAM176 will not look as bulky on your wrist as many other models in a 44mm case.

Here you have to try and get used to it. Panerai is always a big timepiece. This may not be convenient or appropriate for everyone, but as mentioned above, it is a matter of taste.