In light of the excellent thread re: dial fonts and the Davidsen 111H, I have to pose a question: what is the most accurate rep PAM dial in your opinion?
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Most accurate PAM dial
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Joshua's (perfect-clones) Swiss Unitas looks like the best to me......Eddielee has one that's right up ther also 8)
I think the 210, 183 and 111H are all pretty good. Font looks spot on and numerals on dial look to be the same size.
The early 183, where the numerals were cut out was a bit rough. But on the latest sandwich dials, the pierced numerals look perfect, IMHO.
Sometimes it seems like the font color is off, but hard to tell.
The only real flaw I can see is the lume. Which in my eyes, is not really a major flaw and can be fixed easily.
Some of the other dials, such as 000, 005, Pre-H 111 (001), etc seem to have good dials too as far as the fonts/printing goes. But I can tell you about the lume. I.e. is it raised enough, etc. But once again, that can be fixed pretty easily by a good watchmaker.
The early 183, where the numerals were cut out was a bit rough. But on the latest sandwich dials, the pierced numerals look perfect, IMHO.
Sometimes it seems like the font color is off, but hard to tell.
The only real flaw I can see is the lume. Which in my eyes, is not really a major flaw and can be fixed easily.
Some of the other dials, such as 000, 005, Pre-H 111 (001), etc seem to have good dials too as far as the fonts/printing goes. But I can tell you about the lume. I.e. is it raised enough, etc. But once again, that can be fixed pretty easily by a good watchmaker.
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ragerover said:
111H rep dial is not that great actually, but good enough to pass...wrong number '6' shape, 'L Swiss Made L' text too wide and to close to the bottom of number '6', 'Luminor Marina Panerai' dial text is white and should be cream color on H series, daytime color of sandwich dial cutouts should be off-white (almost white) instead of cream yellow.
Those are the 'littlies' I could spot, but than again I tend to pick on tid-bits more than others. 8)
cheers,
babola
[/quote] ...I tend to pick on tid-bits more than others. 8) [/quote]
Yes you do! I would of had about 5 Panerais at this point if it wasnt for you picking out all the flaws and making me even more anal than I am! :lol:
I did say that is seems like the font color is off. Its hard to sometimes tell form pics if its white or offf white. The color of the cutouts is determined by the lume, is it not? So that can be fixed.
Yes, the "Swiss Made" is a bit close to the 6. But like you say, close enought to pass. I think that most of the flaws will only be apparent if a gen is next to it. Yes, some paneristi may be able to spot the differences a mile away, but how often to run into one of them on the subway?
Babola,
Doesn't the 183, 210, 111H, 112H, 177 all use the same basic dial? And only the printing really changes? So if the "6" cut out is off, then I guess its off on all of them?
What do you think of the 127 or 217 dial?
So in your opinion, what is the most accurate dial out there? Some of the chronos look pretty accurate to me, but I'm sure you'll point out all the flaws in a min :lol: :?
Yes you do! I would of had about 5 Panerais at this point if it wasnt for you picking out all the flaws and making me even more anal than I am! :lol:
I did say that is seems like the font color is off. Its hard to sometimes tell form pics if its white or offf white. The color of the cutouts is determined by the lume, is it not? So that can be fixed.
Yes, the "Swiss Made" is a bit close to the 6. But like you say, close enought to pass. I think that most of the flaws will only be apparent if a gen is next to it. Yes, some paneristi may be able to spot the differences a mile away, but how often to run into one of them on the subway?
Babola,
Doesn't the 183, 210, 111H, 112H, 177 all use the same basic dial? And only the printing really changes? So if the "6" cut out is off, then I guess its off on all of them?
What do you think of the 127 or 217 dial?
So in your opinion, what is the most accurate dial out there? Some of the chronos look pretty accurate to me, but I'm sure you'll point out all the flaws in a min :lol: :?
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Oh my...what have I done... 
RR, I think I became a victim of my own passion, but my intention was far from influencing other people in making their PAM rep purchasing decision (well, not to a great extent, anyway)
Anyway, 183 and 210 are Radiomir dials, made for diferent case size, and definitelly and dissimilar to 111/112/177 simply because er...they're diferent. Luminor Marina and Base 44mm dials come with some minor diferences, 111H and 177H share the same dial for example, gen or rep, 112 as you know comes without second subdial, but sports a nice number '9' on a dial.
Yes, all of the H series rep dials have wrong number '6' compared to gen's (the tip is slightly off) but that doesn't mean they're bad at all. The H series dial cutouts copy G series painted/sausage dials numbers, which Panerai slightly changed on their H series.
127 and 217 rep dials are excellent IMO. Great attention to details and excellent reproduction, it makes you wonder sometimes why the gen 217 dial would cost over $1k doesn't it
cheers,
babola
RR, I think I became a victim of my own passion, but my intention was far from influencing other people in making their PAM rep purchasing decision (well, not to a great extent, anyway)
Anyway, 183 and 210 are Radiomir dials, made for diferent case size, and definitelly and dissimilar to 111/112/177 simply because er...they're diferent
. Luminor Marina and Base 44mm dials come with some minor diferences, 111H and 177H share the same dial for example, gen or rep, 112 as you know comes without second subdial, but sports a nice number '9' on a dial. Yes, all of the H series rep dials have wrong number '6' compared to gen's (the tip is slightly off) but that doesn't mean they're bad at all. The H series dial cutouts copy G series painted/sausage dials numbers, which Panerai slightly changed on their H series.
127 and 217 rep dials are excellent IMO. Great attention to details and excellent reproduction, it makes you wonder sometimes why the gen 217 dial would cost over $1k doesn't it
cheers,
babola
babola said:my intention was far from influencing other people in making their PAM rep purchasing decision (well, not to a great extent, anyway)
Anyway, 183 and 210 are Radiomir dials, made for diferent case size, and definitelly and dissimilar to 111/112/177 simply because er...they're diferent
Yes, all of the H series rep dials have wrong number '6' compared to gen's (the tip is slightly off) but that doesn't mean they're bad at all. The H series dial cutouts copy G series painted/sausage dials numbers, which Panerai slightly changed on their H series.
127 and 217 rep dials are excellent IMO. Great attention to details and excellent reproduction, it makes you wonder sometimes why the gen 217 dial would cost over $1k doesn't it
I just assumed that the shape of the cut outs on 183 & 210 dials were the same as the 177/111/112. So are you saying they are indeed different? Are the 210 & 183 dials pretty accurate in your opinion ?
Babola, Im just busting your balls a bit :lol:
A lot of people have influenced my decisions... but to a certain extent, I let them! I take my time reading as much as I can. The problem is, the more I read, the more flaws people point out. Its my fault. I could of just ordered a watch, but I choose to keep reading and asking questions.
I think it works out better for me this way, as I would rather read, and read, and read then make my decision, then to order the watch, only to get annoyed by certain things and ending up never wearing it or selling it (most likely at a loss).
A perfect example is the IWC Ingie. I've been dying for it. But I keep reading posts about the damn date wheel and how the hands are a "glaring flaw" becasue they are 1/100000 of a inch too short.
Part of the issue I think, is that when you visit places like this form or one of the dealers websites and you see a pic of a watch, it is blown up by atleast 10x. The more I really think about it, will one really be able to tell that the hands or date wheel of a certain watch is off? Or with the Radiomir, that the case is ever so slightly fatter at the corners and doesn't taper as much as the gen?
When a 44mm watch is blow up to 14", flaws are not only very easy to see, but it makes me very hesitant to order a watch. In reality though, the only way you'll be able to see most flaws is to be a few inches away from the watch. And to quote someone on RWG (I think it was RWG) "if someone is so close that they can see those flaws, I better be sleeping with them!"
As with you, I think I am a victim of my own passion. Even with gen watches I own, I get obsessed with little "flaws." Flaws I am sure that no one can see but me.
This pic was stolen from one of the Paneristi boards. Dial looks good to me. Print color may be a bit off (white vs off-white), but font looks good. Cut out numerals look spot on in my eye. What flaws are there?
Im glad to know that everyone consideres the 217 and 127 dials perfect. Now if I can just figure out which case is the better one (0581 vs 0117) and if its really 1:1 I'd love to pull the trigger on and buy myself a b-day present!
I just got Davidsen's new upgraded Fiddy and it is as close to the real thing as any I have seen. I am really happy with it. Also, I got Andrews 111 G over any others. It is almost perfect. I was in the Tourneau Watch store in Vegas with it and they asked to see it and were asking me if I wanted to trade it in. The quality of these reps sure are getting good.