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Michael Vick just signed with Philadelphia Eagles

daytona4me

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Wow, what a good move (imo) for Philadelphia. It will help Westbrook not have to shoulder so much of the offense and give injury prone (not always 90%+) McNabb a better backup than Charlie Batch.

So, if you were an NFL franchise owner, would you bring Michael (Mad Dog) Vick on your team?
 
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I dont think that convicted felons should be able to play any professional sports. It is amazing that private sector corporations will refrain from hiring convicted felons, but professional athletics seem to attract them. Since the franchises cannot be trusted to refrain from signing these people, the leagues need to simply make it against the rules.

But then again, I think that professional athletics as a whole are silly and should be eliminated. When I hear that my sons school may be closing because the teachers cannot be afforded (at $30k per year), but some goon can get $20 million a year for playing football, baseball, basketball, golf or badminton... it pisses me off!

Lets send little Joey off to Iraq to get blown in half for $25k per year, and pay Michael Vick $20 million to throw a football!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!

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NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell reinstated convicted felon and dog torturer Michael Vick on Monday, allowing him to immediately begin practicing with any team which will take him. Vick can also return to the field in mid-October. This move will put yet another convicted criminal on the sidelines, in a league already heavy with felons.

Of course, Vick spent 18 months of a 23-month sentence at Leavenworth federal prison for dog fighting charges.

When police raided Vick’s house in Surry County, VA in 2007, they found 65 dogs (nearly all pit bulls), a dog-fighting pit, blood-stained carpets, and various equipment commonly used in dog fighting.

One of the items found on Vick’s property was a ‘rape stand’ which is a device in which female dogs are strapped into and restrained, to allow a male dog to breed with her.

According to the federal indictment, when dogs at Vick’s Bad Newz Kennels lost a fight, or failed to perform well in ‘test matches,’ they were routinely killed by methods including electrocution, hanging, drowning, and in at least one case by “slamming†the dog’s body onto the concrete floor. In one session in April 2007, at least eight dogs were killed through these methods.

Vick took part in these executions along with his partners Purnell Peace, and Quanis Phillips. The indictment detailed a March 2003 incident, in which a female pit bull who had just lost a match was killed. Vick and Peace decided to kill her by “wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting her.â€

Despite these ghastly facts, the NFL has decided to welcome back Michael Vick.

Goodell told reporters: "I do recognize that some will never forgive him for what he did. . I hope that the public will have a chance to understand his position as I have."

To their credit, the New York Giants, the New York Jets, and the Dallas Cowboys have already announced they would not take Vick.

Goodell is not only understanding of those who engage in the torture and killing of man’s best friend, but also of those who torture and kill man himself.

In 1998, St. Louis Rams’ defensive end Leonard Little ran a red light, while driving drunk and hit and killed wife and mother Susan Gutweiler, 47. Little pleaded guilty to a manslaughter charge, served 90 nights in a work release program and was back on the field the following season. In 2004, he was arrested again on drunk driving charges. In 2006, he was selected for the Pro Bowl.

In 2000, Baltimore Ravens’ linebacker Ray Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice, and agreed to testify against his two friends, Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting, in exchange, prosecutors agreed to dismiss murder charges against him. Lewis was accused of stabbing to death two people after a Super Bowl party he attended, where a fight broke out between he and two members of a rapper’s entourage. While the NFL did fine Lewis for the crime, they did not issue any suspension. In 2008, Lewis received his 10th selection to the Pro Bowl.

In 2003, Chicago Bears’ defensive tackle Christian Peter retired after spending six seasons in the NFL. Before being drafted, Peter was arrested eight times for various offenses while in college at the University of Nebraska, one for grabbing a woman by the throat. Peter was also alleged to have raped a freshman named Kathy Redmond multiple times, while head coach Tom Osborne helped cover up the crime, Osborne has since apologized to Redmond. .In 1993, Peter also sexually assaulted two women.

Peter was drafted by the New England Patriots, who in light of his long history of criminal behavior, and his eighth arrest just before the draft, relinquished their rights to him. Peter entered the NFL the following season with the New York Giants.

In 2005, Cleveland Browns’ running back Jamal Lewis served 4 months in prison for attempting to set up a drug deal. Lewis was caught in 2004, as he tried to obtain and distribute five kilograms of cocaine. He received a four-game suspension. In 2008, Lewis rushed for 1,000 yards.

Between 2005-2007, Dallas Cowboys’ cornerback Adam “Pacman†Jones was arrested and/or convicted of multiple charges including disorderly conduct, public intoxication, assault, felony vandalism. In 2006, Jones was arrested for spitting in a woman’s face at a Nashville nightclub. In 2007, Jones assaulted a stripper in a Las Vegas club and threatened the life of a security guard, Jones eventually pleaded guilty to lesser charges. Jones was suspended for the 2007 NFL season, but returned to the league with the Cowboys in 2008.

In 2006, Cincinnati Bengals’ defensive tackle Tank Johnson was charged with aggravated assault and resisting arrest, after allegedly threatening a Chicago police officer. At the time of his arrest, Johnson was on probation for a 2005 guilty plea to carrying a concealed weapon. Johnson was also charged with further probation violations in 2006. Johnson received an eight-game suspension, after serving 43 days in jail.

In April 2009, Cleveland Browns’ wide receiver Donte Stallworth pleaded guilty to manslaughter charges and received a laughable 30-days in jail after hitting and killing husband and father Mario Reyes, 59 in Miami, Stallworth was drunk at the time. Officially, Stallworth is still on suspension from the NFL. The Browns have not released Stallworth, who signed him to a $35 million contract two weeks before he killed Reyes.

During the 2007 NFL season, an incredible 21 percent of the players had arrest records.
 

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Only because it hits just the right nerve.. lol

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Dude, not fair for you to use the school teacher trump card that cant be argued. :evil:
 

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Dude,, not fair for you to use the school teacher trump card that cant be argued. :evil:
LOL


While I agree with CBR, I chose "No" primarily because the entire team now has to suffer through this scrutiny.. Reporters will not be asking about the plays, but instead on the melodrama Vick will bring with him.
 
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I just cannot believe that people will look past drunk players killing people, players torturing dogs with electrocution, players stabbing people to death, etc...


I am not just angry at him... I really cannot for the life of me see how we as a society can support any of these players. The world economy is tanking, and I havent heard of any teams having to cut players salary's. I havent heard of any players offering to play for a reduced rate.

Its not the teams fault, and its surely not the players fault. Its OUR FAULT (well not MY FAULT) for buying the tickets, the jerseys, the hats, the signs, the flags for you car, the beer coolers, etc.
 

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In terms of football only...

It was absolutely a GREAT move by philadelphia. If Vick shows even flashes of his old self philadelphia's offense will be even scarier. Vick requires so much attention from the defense when he is on the field, philly's backs and receivers should be able to run wild. This will be an exciting offense and I can't wait to see it. I guess philly will be using more wildcat formations showcasing vick instead of jackson this season. I also like the move because westbrook is TOO fragile so perhaps with fewer touches he will last an entire season.
 

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CBR said:
I just cannot believe that people will look past drunk players killing people, players torturing dogs with electrocution, players stabbing people to death, etc...


I am not just angry at him... I really cannot for the life of me see how we as a society can support any of these players. The world economy is tanking, and I havent heard of any teams having to cut players salary's. I havent heard of any players offering to play for a reduced rate.

Its not the teams fault, and its surely not the players fault. Its OUR FAULT (well not MY FAULT) for buying the tickets, the jerseys, the hats, the signs, the flags for you car, the beer coolers, etc.

I agree 100%. It baffles me how we accept this as a supposed civilized society.
 

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watchman1 said:
In terms of football only...

Okay, well, in contrast, in terms of not football at all, I'd heard that Vick had signed on with the Eagles and I didn't have any strong feelings on it. Then after I read that article that CBR posted, I'm sicked out that ANYONE would want the man, much less people that are out in the public purview. To me, it makes no difference if he's getting paid $20 million or if he's playing for free. You wouldn't want someone who was completely amoral to be influencing your kids. Well, he earns the kind of money he does, not because he's really valuable to society as a whole. He's worth that much to the NFL because of the number of people that will watch him. And face it, kids see these guys as heroes. Michael Vick is no hero, no matter how fast he runs or how far he can throw.

Besides that, I refuse to believe that Michael Vick had no idea that what he was doing was wrong. He knew it was wrong, but he didn't care. And he's not going to care now either. My prediction is that he's going to do something else horrifying. And I'm embarrassed for Philadelphia and for the NFL that they mind this little enough to have the man back.
 

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I heard at the post news conference thst Vick was handing out schnauser sandwiches to keep
the crowd well fed and festive. :cry:
 

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I heard Vick just got his first endorsement deal since being reinstated....

Hush Puppies


I can't wait to hear the opposing teams play "Who Let the Dogs Out" everytime he takes the field
 

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I for one can not for the life of me figure out why someone who can play sports should be allowed to do as they please. Lets get real, just because they have athletic ability they are given extra chances.
 

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In the word's of Chris Rock,

"I see Sarah Palin on the news shooting moose and shit, I'm like what the fuck is Michael Vick in jail for, this bitch shooting moose!!"
 

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YEAH! CBR, to St Louis' shame they kept him.

But we did just get John Smoltz today. Great deal.
 

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You animal activists can start up your torches for what I am about to say so here it is.

I can think of many worse things that concern the majority than to lock a man up for Dog fighting. Crimes against man, Manslaughter, Murder, Rape, Drugs, Terrorism and Robbery.

Vick is probably not in the best shape to start this season but if we wants to play and the owners are willing to give him a contract...then go for it.

I am running away from the flames. [smilie=violent5.gif]
 

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Eventually the "stigma " will wear off. if he brings home a championship you'll see all that negative press just go away.

Look at Kobe, Dennis Rodman, just to name a few off the top of my head.
 

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Love the guy or hate him, there is no one here that can deny that he is one hell of a play maker. I do not agree that Michael Vick should play in the NFL, but that is why my name is not Roger.

As for the Eagles, excellent pick up! I would have thought that someone like the Niners or Panthers would have picked him up, due to their need of a playmaker. Vick adds a 3rd dimension to the Eagles offense, the ability to run the double option (Wildcat). With McNabb throwing, Westbrook running, and Vick thrown in every now and then to keep the defense on their toes, the Eagles could really have something good going on here.

Another factor is that McNabb only has a couple of years left, and now you have a stellar playmaker learning the QB position from one of the best in the game. Vick needs a bit of work when it comes to basic mechanics at QB, but if he is able to learn from McNabb, the Eagles have secured a QB position for years to come.

I am by far not an Eagles fan, but you can not argue what an impressive pick-up this is from a football standpoint. And I won't even argue the criminal standpoint, because to be honest, I am not a qualified member of the National Football League that has any say.

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I can think of many worse things that concern the majority than to lock a man up for Dog fighting. Crimes against man, Manslaughter, Murder, Rape, Drugs, Terrorism and Robbery.

No flames, but just, ick.

You're absolutely right. There are a lot worse things that he could have done, although on some level, I find it even more cravenly. Humans might have a half chance of defending themselves, but a dog pretty much has no chance.

But putting him in a position where he's being glorified seems very wrong to me. Maybe I'm just being a girl and I don't understand how important he is. But for me, his leading a team to a winning season does not mitigate against the fact that he has no conscience.
 

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CBR said:
NO...

I dont think that convicted felons should be able to play any professional sports. It is amazing that private sector corporations will refrain from hiring convicted felons, but professional athletics seem to attract them. Since the franchises cannot be trusted to refrain from signing these people, the leagues need to simply make it against the rules.

But then again, I think that professional athletics as a whole are silly and should be eliminated. When I hear that my sons school may be closing because the teachers cannot be afforded (at $30k per year), but some goon can get $20 million a year for playing football, baseball, basketball, golf or badminton... it pisses me off!

Lets send little Joey off to Iraq to get blown in half for $25k per year, and pay Michael Vick $20 million to throw a football!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!

Amen brother. I agree 100%.

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Crimes against man, Manslaughter, Murder, Rape, Drugs, Terrorism and Robbery.

Wow that sounds like a resume for half of the players in the NFL. These guys look like gangsta's. :D
 

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ahw676 said:
watchman1 said:
In terms of football only...
My prediction is that he's going to do something else horrifying. And I'm embarrassed for Philadelphia and for the NFL that they mind this little enough to have the man back.

+1 Maybe not this year, maybe not until he's through with the NFL.

I'm no animal rights guy, but this issue isn't about animal rights. It's about the behaviors/inclinations of people to do bad things to others. It starts with a six year old pulling the wings off of flies and can go very badly from there as time goes by.

Vick has a problem. I hope for his sake and for society at large that he can resolve the issues that lead him to become a cruel human being. I honestly do.
 
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I have to agree that he is a very talented football player... as are MANY of the convicted felons in the NFL, MLB, NBA... AND NONE of them should be allowed to get played for athletics. They cannot vote, they cannot in many cases drive their own vehicles (permanently revoked DL's), they cannot own or be around firearms or edged weapons... and they could not and would not be hired by MANY of the large corporations (or even small ones) in the US.

Furthermore, I am not an animal activist... I grew up hunting deer, wild turkey and other small animals. I see no problem with killing for food or for sport. But torturing, brutalizing and killing animals OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again just because you dont think you will get caught it just stupid.
I am truly convinced that if it were not found out that he was doing this, he would still be doing it today. It speaks to his moral character, not just his athletic ability.

This argument can be made until the end of the NFL season or the end of his career... And we will never be able to agree.
And furthermore yet... given the current economic conditions in the US I think that ALL of the NFL teams are going to be in for a real rude awakening this year.
The San Diego Chargers just announced yesterday that they do not expect to be able to sell out any of their home games this year which means that NONE of the games will even be seen here on local television... Which means they DONT get the money for the tickets OR the TV rights!!!!!!!!

BOOYAH!!! Take that!!!