Marina Militare Fiddy

[trent23]

Hi people, I need some advice. I recently approach 3 different people to build me a 47mm marina militate Fiddy. The specs are as follow:-

CASE
47mm stainless steel case based on the 1950 design
26mm lug width, 57mm lug to lug
Brushed finishing, polished bezel
Sterile lever guard
Mineral case back on watch & Sterile Case back packed separately

30meters water resistance tested

DIAL
Sandwich with Super Luminova
Sub second dial at 9 o' clock
...... Militare text on dial, big font, RXW style

HANDS
Gold with Super Luminova

CRYSTAL
High domed sapphire
Anti Reflective Coating on the underside

MOVEMENT
Swiss Unitas 6497 17 jewels hand winding

STRAP
Please send a brown colored strap.

Actually I kind of taken this from another website cause I see that the watch is quite nice so I requested 3 different people to custom made it for me.

Davidsen - Quoted me $400usd
JOA - Quoted $650usd when ask why so expensive he said I pay for what I get
Jacksontse - Quote $83usd without sapphire dome glass.

I would like to get your opinions on why the huge price difference.

And also I am really thinking whether I should purchase this or just go pure time co to get a noob factory Pam127 which cost around $400usd after shipping. Only thing is that he is using a Asian Unitas 6497 rather than swiss.

May I get some advice which I should get and also if its the marina militate from who should I get??

 

[COLDI]

The noob 127 is superior to dsn. I would go with the noob.

 

[trent23]

But the thing for is that the movement is different. I am very tempted by DSN's Swiss ETA movement but don't know if it is the right choice

 

[korneevy]

Asian unitas are mostly great movements, and if there is an issue you just simply get another Seagul for 50$ and swap it in 30 mins or so.

I am not sure if you want display caseback and if yes, then noob Fiddy is the one to go with as it has nicely finished engraved bridges. I think DSN has stickers over the swiss plates so it won't be half as good from visual standpoint and is inferior to the Noob.

 

[ALE7575]

As you can read in the PAM Review GUIDE
"Reference PAM REVIEW-GUIDE" - Replica Search, Identification, Evaluation & Selection
go directly to Noob last version and enjoy directly the best version of this watch.
The current Asian 6497 are very good no problem. I don't trust so-called "Swiss"
ALE

 

[COLDI]

The noob high beat movement will be just as reliable as its swiss counter part.

The noob has a better dial case caseback and the decoration on the movement is better.

 

[trent23]

Asian unitas are mostly great movement, and if there is an issue you just get another seagul for.50$ and swap it in 30 mins or so. I am not sure if you want display caseback and if urs, then noob giddy is the one to go with as it has nicely finished engraved bridges. I think dsn has stickers over swiss so it won't be half as good from visual standpoint and is inferior to the noob.

Hi korneevy thanks for the input

As I am new to these may I check what is a seagull movement? Same as Asian unitas 6497? and also what do u mean DSN has stickers over swiss?

 

[trent23]

So u guys think I should get the noob pam 127 right?

lol wanted get the marina militare from dsn initially as it is after all not too"replica" haha!

 

[korneevy]

Hi korneevy thanks for the input

As I am new to these may I check what is a seagull movement? Same as Asian unitas 6497? and also what do u mean DSN has stickers over swiss?

No worries mate.

Seagull is a legit Chinese maker that produces copies of Unitas movement as their ETA patent has expired a while back. So you would get a decent movement that is build in proper factory environments and quality tested to (probably) better degree than most rep movements and possible carries a warranty...of course depending on where you get it from.

You can read and learn a lot more on this here: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f72/seagull-3620-movement-146865

Obviously, Seagull movements wont have any Panerai, Swiss made etc marking on them. Hence my comment whether you require a display caseback or not.

As for DSN's "swinese" stuff, it has been a subject of discussions (do a search on swinese movements) and a matter of personal trust or preference. From what I remember a while back and I am not keeping up to date with DSN's offerings, his swinese movements were decorated wnot with engravings on the plates as per gen, but with a think metal stickers that went on top of the plates. Hard to explain but do a search on this and you are bound to come up with some photos etc. It is not hard to see even with naked eye once you know what to look for, but for unsuspecting Noob these stickers will look just fine. It may well have been that DSN changed this and now provides properly engraved Swiss movements ( I doubt it though) so it is best to check with him on this directly, and he is an honest seller who wont lie or cheat.

I personally dont like a 127 as anyone who knows anything about PAMs will immediately know it is a 20K watch. I prefer a homage with no PAm markings for this reason and also dont mind a closed caseback as I can put any movements I like or can afford and can upgrade to a real Swiss in the future (as I've done on quite a few pieces where i felt they deserved 300$ investment in Swiss unitas of decent grade)

Good luck!

 

[trent23]

Saw a post on the noob factory pam 127 has some distortion problems:X lol don't know if its worth while now:/ As it is an expensive watch, people can easily doubt the genuine on my piece and maybe from the distortion of the crystal see that mine is a fake?

 

[tranzmizzion]

Whats the matter with the noob distortion, I think mine looks fine...

 

[trksh-bzr]

really you should not worry about the mvt on the swiss vs asian.
I had the DSN swiss version, and though the swiss mvt was super smooth, I must say that the asian in my noob 217 is exactly as smooth, only the noobs have much nicer decoration. (the 217 is different than the 127 but still)
now the noobs are nicer in so many other aspects.
the noobs have FAR better case finish, especially the lug milling. also the general shape of the case.
the crystal is much nicer. DSN has horrible AR
all dsn's have serial 117 like all the cartels old school versions have. -noobs have different numbers
crownguard is nice, almost perfect, but needs still an oring or hot glue fix.
the strap bars are super nice on the noob, DSN's are only average. (I'm thinking about the flat polished finish on the tip of the bar)
probably a lot more, but this should be plenty to make up your mind by

good luck, mate.

 

[ALE7575]

Wow Trksh
What a nice comparison
Since DSN has not these replicas in catalogue I cannot include this magnificent comparison in the PAM GUIDE.

But very interesting reading and learning

You are really an "active" honorary member of the PCTeam !!! LOL
Thanks
ALE

 

[trksh-bzr]

I made this thread a while back before the noob version was released.

You can't see the milled lug issue that I mentioned, because I fixed it by hand, but there are some details in thre to show some of the lacking spots on both cartel and DSN fiddys.

maybe we should get these pics hooked up with some noob pics, just to see how much the noob is an improovement to the older versions.
-if we could get some fitting EL pics too, then the ultimate fiddy rep comparison thread would be made.

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/dsn-vs-standard-87881?t=87881&highlight=standard

 

[trent23]

Whats the matter with the noob distortion, I think mine looks fine...

Is yours the latest PAM 127 by noob?

Can check here out http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-latest-noob-112606

 

[tranzmizzion]

It's the latest version as of a couple months or so ago.... Honestly i cant tell the difference between the crystals, i'm on the iphone, maybe pics are too small....

What should i look for? How does my crystal look to you?

 

[COLDI]

Its the break in the crystals or the distortion that a lot of people look for...

 

[tranzmizzion]

Its the break in the crystals or the distortion that a lot of people look for...

Doesnt the gen also have some distortion? At least it seems to when i go through the internet.

"break in the crystal"?


Thanks for the info.... Lookin harder at pics now. Lol



Edit: is it that double vision look/ wavy lines in that other thread in comparison?