looking for the best pam rep watch, please help

[baltrack]

I dont have 4000$ to put on a gen panerai so im looking for rep, but not low quality.

In fact, i am looking for the BEST panerai homage possible. I dont care paying 500-900$ but i need the best quality possible. i would love to get the closest quality to gen panerai.

im looking for pam091, pam133, radiomir black seal, pam183...

I know about DSN, but let me know if other watch makers can do custom orders too (swiss made movement, cote de geneve or decoration, high quality sapphir, see thru sapphir case back, sandwich dial, best lume....and so on).

thx

 

[sanankid]

mate id try the 111n v3. its the tits.

 

[ayubgantz]

Hmm open case-back does reveal all the movement flaws.

I'd say 005 on that basis alone.

 

[mysterio]

You really don't care paying for 500-900$ but strangely at the same time you also don't care enough to spend time researching on the PAM that you are eyeing to buy? :facepalm:

For example, just checking out ALE's super-helpful Panerai Review Guide, you will find out these things about your shortlist:

1. PAM091 - Good watch but does not come with the titanium bracelet as per gen. - Not recommended.
2. PAM133 - No good replica of this watch (40mm, diamond encrusted numerals, radiomir) - Not recommended obviously
3. Radiomir Black Seal - several choices (PAM183, 380, 261 and the various 292 releases) but the only super rep is the PAM292M (H-Factory) - Recommended
4. PAM183 - It's a first class rep but since you are looking for the closest to gen as possible... - Not recommended

Outside of that list, if we are going to list the super rep level PAMs, there are these choices (just going to list some):
1. PAM000 - N-series (H and Noob factory)
2. PAM390 - N-series (H-Factory)
3. PAM026 - K-series (H-Factory)

The reason I have not listed the much acclaimed PAM111 (and similarly the PAM177/176, PAM127/217, PAM112 and PAM219) is because of the display caseback which exhibits the only real flaws on these reps, however, that said, since you are willing to spend the money for mods, you can get one of the modders such as goin6633 and marlin2284 to perform their magic on the remaining major tells on the movement such as the Y-incabloc, the polishing of the gears, etc.

6 months on the forum would have been more than enough time for you to gather all of the above and make an informed decision on what to purchase. I hope this at least encourages you to do the work. It enhances the satisfaction of the purchase.

:cheers:

 

[Q5?]

Great post! Rep points awarded. :lol:

 

[d4m.test]

Don't want to sound like an arse, but why buy a replica of a watch you don't like. I would never buy a rep/homage of a watch I'm not 100% in love it regardless of how accurate it is. Sorry but to me it does not make much sense... getting a watch just so you can try and pass it as a gen I suggest saving your money for another 'x amount' of time and getting the real deal of your 'dream watch'. Cheers

 

[ALE7575]

Great post! Rep points awarded. :lol:

+1
I agree
rep. added

ALE

 

[Om3ga_guy]

You really don't care paying for 500-900$ but strangely at the same time you also don't care enough to spend time researching on the PAM that you are eyeing to buy? :facepalm:

For example, just checking out ALE's super-helpful Panerai Review Guide, you will find out these things about your shortlist:

1. PAM091 - Good watch but does not come with the titanium bracelet as per gen. - Not recommended.
2. PAM133 - No good replica of this watch (40mm, diamond encrusted numerals, radiomir) - Not recommended obviously
3. Radiomir Black Seal - several choices (PAM183, 380, 261 and the various 292 releases) but the only super rep is the PAM292M (H-Factory) - Recommended
4. PAM183 - It's a first class rep but since you are looking for the closest to gen as possible... - Not recommended

Outside of that list, if we are going to list the super rep level PAMs, there are these choices (just going to list some):
1. PAM000 - N-series (H and Noob factory)
2. PAM390 - N-series (H-Factory)
3. PAM026 - K-series (H-Factory)

The reason I have not listed the much acclaimed PAM111 (and similarly the PAM177/176, PAM127/217, PAM112 and PAM219) is because of the display caseback which exhibits the only real flaws on these reps, however, that said, since you are willing to spend the money for mods, you can get one of the modders such as goin6633 and marlin2284 to perform their magic on the remaining major tells on the movement such as the Y-incabloc, the polishing of the gears, etc.

6 months on the forum would have been more than enough time for you to gather all of the above and make an informed decision on what to purchase. I hope this at least encourages you to do the work. It enhances the satisfaction of the purchase.

:cheers:

For what it's worth, I too want to note this was a fabulous post!

 

[baltrack]

thanks for the help guys.

yeah i love those panerai models, love the look, love the design, but wont throw 4000$ or more on one right now, maybe someday but not now. Gotta take care of my family first.

but as i love nice watches too (already own bell&ross, omega PO, hamilton pan europ...) i m looking for a nice rep watch.

i will get in touch with marlin, and also in contact with davidsen. other contacts you can suggest ?

 

[korneevy]

Dude, why are you so hang up on davidsen exactly? None, not a single one, of the super reps listed for you come from him. Ever heard of Trusted Dealers? Go dig some more and leave DSN alone....

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[JoehwrfcJ]

If you want the BEST most accurate panerai rep the ones that stand the least chance of you getting called out you need a 000 or 005 v2.5 from Noob Factory ( they have much better crown guards than that of H factory) the display back hides any of the small floors in the movement

Youll need a gen strap, so OEM gold calf n the 005 and OEM black calf on the 000. For me this really makes a difference as the rep straps are usually very low quaility

I also thin the the cheaper and more readily available the model the less likely it is on being considered fake. If you have a normal job and you start rolling with serious limited edition panerai's or gold rolexes your colleagues and friends might tell just from that that they are fake. But if your just wearing a base panerai probably no one would think twice

 

[JoehwrfcJ]

Dealers, look to torobravos or intime watches, I've had watches from both and thy are great! Top service and quick delivery times

 

[mysterio]

Dude, why are you so hang up on davidsen exactly? None, not a single one, of the super reps listed for you come from him. Ever heard of Trusted Dealers? Go dig some more and leave DSN alone....

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Davidsen is a TD here as well you know. FWIW, although I have not come across a Super Rep from him, he does have first class models which are only available from his catalog.

Thanks Q5, ALE and Om3ga. Just helping out when I can.

 

[goin6633]

You really don't care paying for 500-900$ but strangely at the same time you also don't care enough to spend time researching on the PAM that you are eyeing to buy? :facepalm:

For example, just checking out ALE's super-helpful Panerai Review Guide, you will find out these things about your shortlist:

1. PAM091 - Good watch but does not come with the titanium bracelet as per gen. - Not recommended.
2. PAM133 - No good replica of this watch (40mm, diamond encrusted numerals, radiomir) - Not recommended obviously
3. Radiomir Black Seal - several choices (PAM183, 380, 261 and the various 292 releases) but the only super rep is the PAM292M (H-Factory) - Recommended
4. PAM183 - It's a first class rep but since you are looking for the closest to gen as possible... - Not recommended

Outside of that list, if we are going to list the super rep level PAMs, there are these choices (just going to list some):
1. PAM000 - N-series (H and Noob factory)
2. PAM390 - N-series (H-Factory)
3. PAM026 - K-series (H-Factory)

The reason I have not listed the much acclaimed PAM111 (and similarly the PAM177/176, PAM127/217, PAM112 and PAM219) is because of the display caseback which exhibits the only real flaws on these reps, however, that said, since you are willing to spend the money for mods, you can get one of the modders such as goin6633 and marlin2284 to perform their magic on the remaining major tells on the movement such as the Y-incabloc, the polishing of the gears, etc.

6 months on the forum would have been more than enough time for you to gather all of the above and make an informed decision on what to purchase. I hope this at least encourages you to do the work. It enhances the satisfaction of the purchase.

:cheers:

Agree !


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[ALE7575]

thanks for the help guys.

yeah i love those panerai models, love the look, love the design, but wont throw 4000$ or more on one right now, maybe someday but not now. Gotta take care of my family first.

but as i love nice watches too (already own bell&ross, omega PO, hamilton pan europ...) i m looking for a nice rep watch.

i will get in touch with marlin, and also in contact with davidsen. other contacts you can suggest ?

Dear friend

I don't know why are you placing a thread asking for advice if you don't hear the recommendations.

Read mysterio's post and you will save money and time !!!

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Defending DSN (Davidsen)

Dude, why are you so hang up on davidsen exactly? None, not a single one, of the super reps listed for you come from him. Ever heard of Trusted Dealers? Go dig some more and leave DSN alone....

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Thanks korneevy for your post.
You really are right in some things and somehow, anyway you have include some little mistakes

Please bear in mind that DSN (Davidsen) is also a RWI Trusted Dealer and he has some exclusive replicas.

Concerning Super reps, THERE IS ONE SUPER REP from DSN. This is the awesome PAM 057 Power Reserve fitted with a Swiss movement 2892 with a power reserve Soprod module, and then with functional Power reserve function. This is one of the best movements ever installed in a replica.
It is expensive but the watch is nice, reliable and awesome.
This is not a Super replica in the same way, sense or concept than the new generation of replicas from Noob and H maker, which are focussed in accuracy. The DSN's PAM 057 is more focussed in quality, reliability and good finish. But anyway a Super replica IMO, and a very good choice to bear in mind.

Since I think it is worth, I'm copying below the extract of info about PAM 057 in PAM GUIDE

EVALUATION: (**) SUPER REP (DSN model)
The gen PAM 057 was the last PAM Power Reserve (after PAM 027-028) with this type of dial having Power Reserve indicator @6, date with cyclops @3 , big central seconds hand and solid caseback.
There are three Power Reserve watches with this structure: PAM 027 full polished SS version with Black Flat surface dial, PAM 028 PVD coated and Black Hobnail textured dial and the PAM 057 Titanium and Brown Hobnail textured dial.
These watches (gen and rep) have a Soprod modified ETA base movement to get the Power Reserve function.
Despite the fact that the PAM 57 theoretically only lasted for the year 2000 (replacing the PVD model, but then being phased out in favour of the changed movement and dial arrangement) there are a few 2001 D-series PAM 057s floating about, 55 pieces to be precise. How this came about? perhaps a production overrun from the previous year? Still, however this anomaly occurred, it makes for a scarce piece.
This replica PAM 057 is an exclusive production from DSN. Although some differences in the CG shape (flat), it is very close to the gen with a beautiful Brown Hobnail texture dial, it is very difficult to catch the dial of this watch in a picture, in fact you cannot see the Hobnail texture in the pics from DSN, but it is awesome.
But thanks the kindness of Machiavegli we can enjoy here of these fantastic and expressive macro pics of this Hobnail dial. You can see also the recessed power reserve indicator. Many thanks Mach !!

PICS of HOBNAIL DIAL of Machiavegli’s PAM 057 from DSN

The rep from DSN is fitted with a Swiss 2892 movement with a Soprod Power Reserve module like the gen.
Mini-review and pics here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/re-mini-review-110453?p=1081836 by Machiavegli
Unfortunately, due to above mentioned features, this is an expensive rep, but it is worth the purchase. Therefore, we can consider this rep due to its general quality and beauty as a Super rep.
Goin has modified a DSN replica of this PAM 057 with a correct CG and making a good job in the lume. The result is likely the best possible replica of this watch. See explanations and fantastic pictorial review here :
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-modified-dsn-114217?p=1119547 by Goin
Although its price this PAM 057 from DSN is a very good candidate for a first PAM replica.
REPLICA links:
(**)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/new-born-057c-99719
(**)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Power%20Reserve%20with%20sopord%20mov t/New%20pam%20057C/
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_204
http://paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres

 

[Paladium]

Gen still looks better

 

[MMs]

this OP has no idea what is going on or what he's doing.
he unwittingly created a nice thread though.

speaking of the guide and DSN.

waiting for it to include the newborn 056 and such

 

[baltrack]

yeah tou guys are totally right, im new to this rep thing. I dont even know what s a noob factory, or H factory. Slowly but surely this forum teach me some.

I understand that super rep mostly comes from noob factories, but still dont know how to place order. My idea is getting a noob pam 183H and asking marlin for mods....

what u think ? any links for this noob watch so i can place order ?

 

[goin6633]

There's no best Noob version PAM183 .
Just old 183H model , and it's no super reps .
You might need to source lots prats from different watches to assemble a good 183 .
The list in my mind might be :
Old 183H case set ,
AR crystal ,
H factory 292M dial (might not be correct , but best so far) ,
111N Noob movement and do full modified by me or marlin ,
Swap the case back mineral crystal to sapphire crystal ,
Full relume service ,
Water resistance mod works and testing ,

How much it costs ? Will be lots .
Is it super ? Might be .....

Go for a Noob 111N and do full mod works will have better result and cheaper price for sure .