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Looking for a Silver Oyster Perpetual 41 (124300) Rolex

lanz5000

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Hello all, i want to buy a Silver Oyster Perpetual 41 (124300) Rolex.

I tried to buy an original one, but the official dealer never called me (2 years and counting). Anyway i decided to buy a replica, but still cannot find a good one, can anyone help???

What i know up to now:
  • EWF problems with bracelet
  • GMF fat bezel
  • GMF v2 same but less fat
Can anyone tell me what’s the best version? and also where to buy it from?

Thanks a lot,
Wish you all a great year
 
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I'm also looking for that model and looking into the differences between different factories.

I had a great experience with puretime recently so I'll recommend it.
 

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You may find this useful:

ARF used to be NWBIG on the grape and rhodium dials. Imo GMF does a good job on the silver, and I see many people going that way for that particular model. I've read somewhere about alleged connections between GMF, BPF and EWF; the general consensus is that the quality decreases (GMF best, EWF worst), but don't take my wordon that, since some factories specialize on particular models (e.g. BP's explorer is the best one imo). With GMF you can't do much wrong.
As for where to buy, all trusted dealers can source the smae watches, so take your pick:

Compare pricing, payment methods and shipping policies (some TDs refund for custom seizure, for instance, some don't). Use only RWI's links, do not ever google a td. JTime, Puretime and InTime are generally considered good options for newbies.
Good luck
 

lanz5000

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You may find this useful:

ARF used to be NWBIG on the grape and rhodium dials. Imo GMF does a good job on the silver, and I see many people going that way for that particular model. I've read somewhere about alleged connections between GMF, BPF and EWF; the general consensus is that the quality decreases (GMF best, EWF worst), but don't take my wordon that, since some factories specialize on particular models (e.g. BP's explorer is the best one imo). With GMF you can't do much wrong.
As for where to buy, all trusted dealers can source the smae watches, so take your pick:

Compare pricing, payment methods and shipping policies (some TDs refund for custom seizure, for instance, some don't). Use only RWI's links, do not ever google a td. JTime, Puretime and InTime are generally considered good options for newbies.
Good luck
Thanks
 

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There are a number of good threads here on RWI about the 124300/OP41, have a search around.

I purchased a sliver EWF OP41 as it looks more like gen than GMF (v1/2) which looks obviously off. The last thing I would be concerned about on a rep is the bracelet, they all suck compared to gen. That being said my EWF bracelet was loose and squeaky so I gave it a proper clean and lube and now it's fine (as far as reps go).

So, EWF looks the best by far, including the silver dial, but the movement is supposedly very average, some people say to avoid it for this reason. It's apparently not even particularly serviceable. Having used mine for 5+ months now I have to agree, it keeps good time but it's noisy and doesn't feel like it will last for a very long time (years, not decades). Nobody else will notice this but it concerns me every time I have to hand wind it.

Now, KING factory has recently emerged with a new OP41 and I'm keeping my eye on those, they seem to have both the aesthetic and movement 'mostly' correct, we need some real-world experiences to validate this.


Good luck!
 
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You’ll also find that the the GMF is 904L v EWF 316L. GMF will have superior bracelet and clasp and usually better movement OOTB. Biggest issue with the GMF is the phattt bezel. I think it’s the same bezel in V1 and V2 - the difference between the versions is the movement only.

I have the blue dial GMF OP41 with the 2824 movt and it’s a solid watch. Very well built, keeps very good time and the rotor is actually quiet. Obvious flaws being the bezel, no ghost date position on crown either. Hand length is good, you need to check that as some reps usually have shorter hour hand than gen and it’s obvious…..
 
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But really, 904L v 316L in a rep is meaningless... you can be 100% assured that neither will live up to their purity claims... we're lucky that they're even genuine stainless steel.

Either way, unless you're going to handle your rep with kid gloves, or get it polished every 12 months, you're better off with 316L because it's much harder and scratch-resistant than 904.

My car would be much lighter, and mathematically much faster, if it were made from balsa wood... doesn't make balsa wood a sensible material to build a car out of... unless you can afford to replace said car frequently.
 
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Replica oblivion…
But really, 904L v 316L in a rep is meaningless... you can be 100% assured that neither will live up to their purity claims... we're lucky that they're even genuine stainless steel.

Either way, unless you're going to handle your rep with kid gloves, or get it polished every 12 months, you're better off with 316L because it's much harder and scratch-resistant than 904.

My car would be much lighter, and mathematically much faster, if it were made from balsa wood... doesn't make balsa wood a sensible material to build a car out of... unless you can afford to replace said car frequently.
I mentioned the difference as it exaplains some of the price difference between GMF and EWF with 904 costing more to purchase than 316.

The other reason to select 904 is that it has a slightly different shine to that of 316 which gives it a closer to gen sheen than the standard 316 especially on an unpolished oyster bracelet. The gen uses 904, hence the reference and relevance.

Unsure of your reference or relevance of the balsa wood example ? It’s not an approved automotive manufacturing option anywhere in the world.

Anyways, it’s all info sharing and people can research and make up their own mind.
 

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Anyways, it’s all info sharing and people can research and make up their own mind.

Agreed, and I'm not into pissing competitions, or picking bitch fights with people I don't know.

My points are:
  1. the s/steel claims rep manufacturers make are worthless without proof, and none provide proof; and,
  2. 904 stainless is not something you want a watch that is going to get a beating made of (hence my balsa wood analogy), unless you're prepared to pay (regularly) to maintain it.
At the end of the day, anyone buying into 904 needs to understand that it has very different properties to 316, and they might not be getting 904 anyway.

it's a tough game in the counterfeit world, believe nobody... including me.
 

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Agreed, and I'm not into pissing competitions, or picking bitch fights with people I don't know.

My points are:
  1. the s/steel claims rep manufacturers make are worthless without proof, and none provide proof; and,
  2. 904 stainless is not something you want a watch that is going to get a beating made of (hence my balsa wood analogy), unless you're prepared to pay (regularly) to maintain it.
At the end of the day, anyone buying into 904 needs to understand that it has very different properties to 316, and they might not be getting 904 anyway.

it's a tough game in the counterfeit world, believe nobody... including me.
In the stuff I’ve read 904 and 316 have the same strength and hardness so they’ll both take the exact same beating. No difference. The biggest advantage is the corrosion resistance to salts - 904 being far more superior meaning it will perform better and last longer and resist corrosion in salt water , sweat and being exposed to soaps etc…

Apart from that as I mentioned it has a slightly different shine aesthetic.

All interesting points to consider and moot for some whilst very useful for others. Many members here will opt for waterproofing their watches and certainly go swimming with them quite regularly - salt water chlorinated pools and beach.
 

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In the stuff I’ve read 904 and 316 have the same strength and hardness so they’ll both take the exact same beating. No difference. The biggest advantage is the corrosion resistance to salts - 904 being far more superior meaning it will perform better and last longer and resist corrosion in salt water , sweat and being exposed to soaps etc…

Apart from that as I mentioned it has a slightly different shine aesthetic.

All interesting points to consider and moot for some whilst very useful for others. Many members here will opt for waterproofing their watches and certainly go swimming with them quite regularly - salt water chlorinated pools and beach.
The EWF is 904L for the 41mm, I have had one for almost a year and it's kept perfect time

It also has the 72 hour movement power reserve.
The finish and pantone of the dial compared to gen looks 100% I have had the gen to compare.
Weight also is identical to the gen.
 

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This demonstrates how even alleged "budget" versions can be very high quality. I have a BP 36mm and also looks and feels fantastic, still keeping perfect time as well (316 steel and eta clone). For 300 bucks including shipping, you can't do much wrong.
 

lanz5000

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There are a number of good threads here on RWI about the 124300/OP41, have a search around.

I purchased a sliver EWF OP41 as it looks more like gen than GMF (v1/2) which looks obviously off. The last thing I would be concerned about on a rep is the bracelet, they all suck compared to gen. That being said my EWF bracelet was loose and squeaky so I gave it a proper clean and lube and now it's fine (as far as reps go).

So, EWF looks the best by far, including the silver dial, but the movement is supposedly very average, some people say to avoid it for this reason. It's apparently not even particularly serviceable. Having used mine for 5+ months now I have to agree, it keeps good time but it's noisy and doesn't feel like it will last for a very long time (years, not decades). Nobody else will notice this but it concerns me every time I have to hand wind it.

Now, KING factory has recently emerged with a new OP41 and I'm keeping my eye on those, they seem to have both the aesthetic and movement 'mostly' correct, we need some real-world experiences to validate this.


Good luck!
Thanks a lot very helpful !!! I searched but obviously cannot make my mind
 

lanz5000

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In the stuff I’ve read 904 and 316 have the same strength and hardness so they’ll both take the exact same beating. No difference. The biggest advantage is the corrosion resistance to salts - 904 being far more superior meaning it will perform better and last longer and resist corrosion in salt water , sweat and being exposed to soaps etc…

Apart from that as I mentioned it has a slightly different shine aesthetic.

All interesting points to consider and moot for some whilst very useful for others. Many members here will opt for waterproofing their watches and certainly go swimming with them quite regularly - salt water chlorinated pools and beach.
These replicas are not water proof?
 

lanz5000

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The EWF is 904L for the 41mm, I have had one for almost a year and it's kept perfect time

It also has the 72 hour movement power reserve.
The finish and pantone of the dial compared to gen looks 100% I have had the gen to compare.
Weight also is identical to the gen.
why you dont have it anymore then?