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KW PAM388 vs gen

vwca

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Not sure if it'd be appropriate to add on to ALE's previous thread, so am starting this new one here. Some comparison between KW 388 v2 (with updated lugs and A7750 movement) seen with black gator. Gen is wearing the distressed brown strap. Please forgive the crappy phone pics.

Case shape overall is quite similar, one difference that can be pointed out is on the glass. The cut of the KW glass results in a visible rim where it meets the bezel. Its quite visible from different angles as can be seen in all the photos, and would say this would be the biggest tell of the piece (the kind that can be seen from a far).


AR is quite comparable (although I've only compared it indoors under flourescent light).

Caseback is also thinner on the gen (KW on the right in this photo).


Crown OP differences


On a smaller note, the shape of the crown is also straighter compared to gen's curvier one


Dial
The colour of the wordings has an orange-y hue to it as compared to the gen. Lume is of the greenish variety, which further adds to the contrast. Gen's lume is a beige colour, to match the beige wordings. Numerals also differ especially on the "12", and overall in terms of the KW having chunkier digits


Tried to capture the difference of the seconds hand but couldn't achieve that shot – the gen's second hand has got a rounded edge (whereas the rep has a flat edge).

A common thing among the reps, the sandwich dial can be seen thru the date wheel (a white layer inside the date window)


Tried to capture comparisons of the lumes but my phone camera couldn't do the low light very well – but I would say the instant turn-off-the-lights side by side was pretty equal, just that it dimmed faster.

And, just to note the obvious on an open caseback model – the movement difference. The rotor on the gen is amazingly silent (and feels lighter/balanced somehow).


Overall, I'd rate the KW pretty good. As ALE's comparison has pointed out, it's a high quality piece. Only obvious tell mentioned would be the rim of the glass. The other differences would require a closer look or even side-by-side comparison to make out.

Thanks for looking :D
 

ozzy81

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Thank you for your review. The only thing which annoys me with the KW 388 is the noise of the rotor.
 

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Thanks for the comparison :)
I think the rep has thicker case back in order to accept the a7750 which is thicker than gen movement afaik. This could be possibly reflected in crystal height as well, if you look at the pic you shot to show the white layer in the sandwich dial you'll notice the rehaut in rep is thinner. IMHO that's because the dial sits higher in the case thus maker needed to place crystal a bit higher as well.
I'm curious whether this problem would happen the same if maker produced the cases directly for the st2555 instead of a7750.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the color of the inscriptions wrong on the rep? I mean, the gen seems to be an off-white color while the rep is really a creamy-brown color evident in all your shots. Even the date numerals seem more brownish on the rep... I see you mention a orange-y hue to it but to me is more brownish than it should be...I had the same impression when I first acquired mine btw and now with your comparison you've confirmed my thoughts.
Incidentally, quality of the rep aside the inscriptions is marvelous.


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Hi vwca

The rim on the crystal is the same issue (a little less evident) as found in PAM 505 from ZFac in my comparison review:
Star Match - KW vs. ZFac PAM 505 O-series – Definitive Comparison Review
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=179812

I have not seen this rim in my KW PAM 388, but I have seen it in my KW PAM 346 although much less noticeable than in PAM 505 ZFac. Indeed I had no seen this rim in MY PAM 346 until this moment.
It is really curious to get a similar matter in some KW reps

Regarding inscription colours is almost the same. I had compared mine with the gen and the dial was very accurate in colours (lume and inscriptions). Maybe mine is less creamy than others. Even I think that Panerai in a moment of O-series production (in PAM 388 - 312 and others) changed the colour of the inscriptions to more creamy, because there is the same discussion about PAM 312, but I have seen the accuracy of mine with a gen O-series and KW's Mehmet got a PAM 312 gen to make the watch.
Just my thoughts

Many thanks for this little review and interesting comparison
Rep points added and I will include this link in PAM GUIDE
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I have a KW PAM388 V1 so I thought I should put up some comparison pictures. ;)

Rim:

I have taken two vantage points, just in case the position of the shot influences the appearance of the rim thickness, which as you can see, is unchanged. The rim is similar to gen.
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Side profile:

Caseback does not look terribly thick as compared to the A7750 equipped V2.
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Crown:
The shape and size of the OP logo is similar to KW V2.
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Date Window:
There is no white portion at the edge of the DW window.
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Crystal and case back look way better indeed in v1.
 

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You might be right kilo, but at least the lug bars don't fall apart when you change the strap. :)

Hehe you're right, I was not considering this, but I think a Panatime set solves the issue, doesn't it?
 

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It is the same with my PAM 388 V1

Maybe last V2-Seagull is the same as V1 but changing the lugs fixations like in V2

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Hehe you're right, I was not considering this, but I think a Panatime set solves the issue, doesn't it?

Just got a replacement set of lug screws from Kuvarsit and all is well with the world. :)

With regards to the color of the font on the 388, I saw this posted on one of the Risti FB groups.
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So either the dial on the rep matches the gen PAM388 or someone just posted a rep pic on a gen site. :lol:
 

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Just got a replacement set of lug screws from Kuvarsit and all is well with the world. :)

With regards to the color of the font on the 388, I saw this posted on one of the Risti FB groups.
tZzNX20.jpg


So either the dial on the rep matches the gen PAM388 or someone just posted a rep pic on a gen site. :lol:


And besides it has a rim joint between the crystal and the bezel. OMG!!
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[MENTION=78736]vwca[/MENTION] Nice review!
I am not certain if you still have both gen and rep, but is there a noticeable difference in clarity of the crystals?
 

vwca

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[MENTION=47839]jtx0512[/MENTION] Unfortunately not at the moment, but comparison from memory was pretty close — both had similar clarity of the crystals :)