Is this PAM088 a rep-movement looks odd...

[ADiaz]

Hey guys I've been offered a PAM088 for sale (as a gen) and I think he is a genuine guy, but am not sure the watch is gen-to me looks like a Noob rep.

Can anyone see any tells on the outside?

Also the movement does not look like OP VIII to me-appreciate it is a modified ETA 7500, but the mark seems to say "A05.571" which I've never heard of.
Can anyone shed any light?

 

[mysterio]

The rotor might be different because of the series, they were produced several years. But have not seen that A05.571 reference in any search I did. Does the watch come complete with boxes, papers, etc?

 

[chris3007]

That's the best looking ETA movement i have seen since a long time.


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[ADiaz]

It was imported from a dealer in the US-with box and booklet (2008) but without paperwork.
There are precious few pics of the PAM088 movement on the interweb to compare it with-and you are right the ETA ref does not seem familiar or anywhere on the web.

 

[ADiaz]

That's the best looking ETA movement i have seen since a long time.

Hey-what do you mean by that?

 

[y10dok]

It looks gen

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[Natas78]

Yep looks gen


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[Lovepam088]

OK, here are two pics of my gen, unfortunately I didn't pull the cover, maybe I'll do that tomorrow.
A couple subtle differences, the most obvious to me though is the release pins for the replacing the bands, not sure if this was just not a feature in the '08 timeframe or if it was introduces later, mine it a 2013.

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[ADiaz]

Cheers guys
''Twas that weird eta ref that threw me somewhat.

 

[ADiaz]

OK, here are two pics of my gen, unfortunately I didn't pull the cover, maybe I'll do that tomorrow.
A couple subtle differences, the most obvious to me though is the release pins for the replacing the bands, not sure if this was just not a feature in the '08 timeframe or if it was introduces later, mine it a 2013.

Thanks for the pics. The other difference is that your caseback does not say 'ocean chronometer' and includes the Panerai logo

 

[Lovepam088]

yeah, I noticed that as well, but I didn't put too much stock into that being a flag, the model has been released several times as "I's" and "N's" and "O's" etc, so the serials and engravings would all be just a little different, but I was under the assumption the case and the dial were essentially the same for all the releases.

http://www.paneristi.com/reference/sortable_database/millesimation.html ( according to this I'd say the back engraving is legit )
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391 ( here is another site you can dig into if you want )

I'd say from just looking a little deeper that the odds are in your favor and it is a gen.

Cheers-

 

[Lovepam088]

Well, I don't know my friend.... I've now got the itch to know. The only pics I can find of a gen movement have no engraving on the winding arm, however all the reps do????? Hmmmm seems a little fishy to me.
I guess that as good as reps are apparently the only way to trust it is if you get papers... hate to say it, lesson for me is that if I ever buy another gen after seeing the quality of the reps on this site is ONLY going to be from a reputable brick and mortar dealer/AD

 

[ADiaz]

Well, I don't know my friend.... I've now got the itch to know. The only pics I can find of a gen movement have no engraving on the winding arm, however all the reps do????? Hmmmm seems a little fishy to me.
I guess that as good as reps are apparently the only way to trust it is if you get papers... hate to say it, lesson for me is that if I ever buy another gen after seeing the quality of the reps on this site is ONLY going to be from a reputable brick and mortar dealer/AD

Or buy one that was never rep'd and extremely hard to do so e.g. my gen PAM074 with open caseback El Primero movement.