Is this Pam 380 gen or fake? Advice needed

[Watchill]

Hi,

I need your advice on this PAM 380, the seller states it is gen, price is 3000€. He says he bought it on December 2013. Considering the pictures, do you think it is gen or fake? Are there any blind spots that would give away the watch?

http://imageshack.com/a/img268/9822/ldqe.JPG
http://imageshack.com/a/img17/2751/qh5j.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img811/5774/0kad.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img546/9402/5849.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img827/5439/63hn.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img18/5498/qese.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img546/9663/q4yq.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img812/9854/jyu8.jpg

I saw a side-by-side comparison of gen and replica on Joshua's site, I couldn't see any difference, which is why I am very worried...

Thanks
watchill

 

[ddc]

Hi,

I need your advice on this PAM 380, the seller states it is gen, price is 3000€. He says he bought it on December 2013. Considering the pictures, do you think it is gen or fake? Are there any blind spots that would give away the watch?

http://imageshack.com/a/img268/9822/ldqe.JPG
http://imageshack.com/a/img17/2751/qh5j.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img811/5774/0kad.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img546/9402/5849.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img827/5439/63hn.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img18/5498/qese.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img546/9663/q4yq.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img812/9854/jyu8.jpg

I saw a side-by-side comparison of gen and replica on Joshua's site, I couldn't see any difference, which is why I am very worried...

Thanks
watchill

The rep has a very obvious letter spacing issue. It says PANER AI. As always you need to know where to look at. This one seems gen to me as the PANERAI spacing is even...but let's hear more opinions.

 

[VladARt]

Deep engravings, crown shape, dial fonts, strap.. Everything tells me that it's a gen. You should see the movement to be 100% sure

 

[Watchill]

Thanks guys, so you think I should go for it? Is the price attractive in your opinion?

 

[ddc]

You should see the movement to be 100% sure

This...

 

[VladARt]

Thanks guys, so you think I should go for it? Is the price attractive in your opinion?

I think the price is a bit low for a new pam380. The watch looks like gen though.

Wait till ALE says his word.

 

[ALE7575]

This "R" in PANERAI is gen, rep "R" is narrower and then leaves the famous PANER_AI space, it is actually no bigger space it is a narrower "R" in reps
And the cushion corners are shaper than in rep

The price is very good maybe too good, I would like to see the movement

ALE

 

[Watchill]

This "R" in PANERAI is gen, rep "R" is narrower and then leaves the famous PANER_AI space, it is actually no bigger space it is a narrower "R" in reps
And the cushion corners are shaper than in rep

The price is very good maybe too good, I would like to see the movement

ALE

I never noticed it before, thank you for the explanation.

Regarding the movement, I don't think that the seller will allow me to open the caseback... is it possible to hear or feel the difference when winding it? If I decide to buy it I will let him sign a contract, in any case. Afterwards I will open the case to have a look and post the picture here. Is there a picture of gen vs. replica movement?

 

[NFleischer]

That's about $4100 USD. I bought one of the same price at Ashford.com about 18months ago.

 

[Watchill]

That's about $4100 USD. I bought one of the same price at Ashford.com about 18months ago.

Looks awesome mate, the dimensions of this watch are perfect IMO.

Do you may be have a picture of the movement?

 

[Aren]

Is there a reason why seller can't take the case back off and take a photo of the movement for you?
That is a reasonable request.
He could also easily take a lume shot.

 

[ALE7575]

I never noticed it before, thank you for the explanation.

Regarding the movement, I don't think that the seller will allow me to open the caseback... is it possible to hear or feel the difference when winding it? If I decide to buy it I will let him sign a contract, in any case. Afterwards I will open the case to have a look and post the picture here. Is there a picture of gen vs. replica movement?

About PANER_AI space read:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=114662

Regarding movement a pic would be interesting and also caseback would be helpful

ALE

 

[Watchill]

Could it be that only the Radiomirs are affect by the narrow R-Problem? It appears that Panerai Luminor models don't have it, like on this one:

http://www.p-cls.com/pn005m02-005m-logo-ssle-p-12134.html

This "R" in PANERAI is gen, rep "R" is narrower and then leaves the famous PANER_AI space, it is actually no bigger space it is a narrower "R" in reps
And the cushion corners are shaper than in rep

The price is very good maybe too good, I would like to see the movement

ALE

 

[nlnlnlnene]

So did the OP buy?

 

[Watchill]

Thanks for the link, I didn't see it before I posted my last question regarding the R problem, so please ignore my last post.

Could it be that only the Radiomirs are affect by the narrow R-Problem? It appears that Panerai Luminor models don't have it, like on this one:

http://www.p-cls.com/pn005m02-005m-logo-ssle-p-12134.html

 

[trailboss99]

Looks good to me. Is it a local sale? Have him meet you at the local Pam AD when you buy and have them verify it.

 

[Watchill]

Looks good to me. Is it a local sale? Have him meet you at the local Pam AD when you buy and have them verify it.

Yes it is local. That's a good idea with the PAM AD.

 

[mmbma]

If it's local sale, bring it to a watch dealer and have then open the back for inspection. Seller should have no issue as you should pay for the inspection. A lot of dealers do this for free to discourage fakes. I did it at torneau, super nice service, no snobbishness for me buying second hand.


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