Is there any Panerai replica, that has a Chronograph that can be used regularly?

[Silvire]

I was going to pull the trigger on the PAM 356 Dirty Daylight, but I heard from a few other users that the chronograph is not meant to be used at all, only once in a blue moon, as it'll wear out very, very, fast.

I normally use the chronograph between 2-5 times a day, usually for stuff like brewing coffee, etc.

That said, I won't be wearing the PAM356 every single day, probably 1-3 times a week.

I've heard that if I use the chronograph frequently, it'll spoil the mechanism very fast (nobody really gave me a specific timeline, like a few months, a year, etc).

My question is: Is there any Panerai Replica that has a reliable Chronograph, that can be used on a regular basis?


To be clear, I'm not talking about running the chrono all the time, just 3-15 times a week, for periods of 4min to 30min, tops.
It would rarely, if ever, go past 1 hour of chronograph usage.

 

[steppen]

Well with reps with any variation of the Asian 7750 or 7753, it's not a good idea to use them as the original intended. They're reps. They look like the real thing but you can't expect them to act like it.

If you want functionality in a rep get one with a Swiss engine inside.


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[peterpl]

TBH everyone says not to use the A7750 chrono so much. I use all my chronos. I have had problems with chronos but I think it was the movement itself being dirty and not oiled. If the movement is clean and you use the chronos properly then they seem to last.

Your not intending to leave it running ALL the time are you? I've had a few gens that broke doing that long time ago.

I still have over 10 chronos and use them alot. Just reset the chrono between 10pm and 2am so the flick back isnt that strong.

 

[trailboss99]

I use my chronos, no point otherwise.
If you feel like it's warranted have the movement serviced (they tend to be a bit on the dry side) and all will be good as long as you observe the basic precautions that apply to any 7750 Swiss or Asian.

 

[Silvire]

TBH everyone says not to use the A7750 chrono so much. I use all my chronos. I have had problems with chronos but I think it was the movement itself being dirty and not oiled. If the movement is clean and you use the chronos properly then they seem to last.

Your not intending to leave it running ALL the time are you? I've had a few gens that broke doing that long time ago.

I still have over 10 chronos and use them alot. Just reset the chrono between 10pm and 2am so the flick back isnt that strong.

Thanks mate. Nah, I'm not intending to run the chrono all the time.
Like I said, each watch I own only gets worn 1-3 times a week.
Each day, I only use the chrono on my watch 2-5 times a day, timings intervals of between 4 minutes to 30 minutes.
So not heavy usage.

Would you mind sharing what reps you own, and what movements they use? It's good to hear that you use your chronos all the time and they still function well.

Well with reps with any variation of the Asian 7750 or 7753, it's not a good idea to use them as the original intended. They're reps. They look like the real thing but you can't expect them to act like it.

If you want functionality in a rep get one with a Swiss engine inside.


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Do you mean like a Swiss 7750 instead of an Asian 7750?
Also, is there any particular movement that can support a chronograph being used regularly, and reliably, as far as you know?

 

[trailboss99]

The only 100% reliable bullet proof chrono MVT in reps is the Sea-Gull ST-19 (Venus 75 remake).
However as I said the A7750 is not near as bad in native sec@9 configuration as some would have you believe.

 

[Silvire]

The only 100% reliable bullet proof chrono MVT in reps is the Sea-Gull ST-19 (Venus 75 remake).
However as I said the A7750 is not near as bad in native sec@9 configuration as some would have you believe.

Thanks mate. I guess I'll just use the chronos, but more sparingly than usual, and I'll just have to learn the hard way.
Might need to learn how to take it apart and service it myself, or spend the money to get it serviced.

You mentioned: If you feel like it's warranted have the movement serviced (they tend to be a bit on the dry side) and all will be good as long as you observe the basic precautions that apply to any 7750 Swiss or Asian.

What are the basic precautions that apply to any 7750?

I only know, don't adjust the date when the time is between 10pm and 2am.

Even on my gen watches (Omega, Tag), I reset the time to 6pm before I change the date.

Anything else I should know?

 

[Junger]

I have Noob PAM250-K V3 with A7753 movement and I use the chronograph all the time. No issues here...

 

[ALE7575]

As commented by trailboss, chrono with Seagull ST-19 are more reliable chronos
Try PAM 518 and 520

ALE

 

[bivalvous]

To answer on a specific timeline, I am an extensive chronograph user (2-3 times a day), and the chronograph in two replicas I own with 775x movements stopped working after arounbd two months' usage in both cases (Omega Speedmaster Day Date with modified 7750 clone and Panerai 251 with 7753 clone).

So...I took both to my watchman, who opened them and showed me the reason for the problem. The material with which these replicas is made is much "softer" than the one used in the original swiss ones, so it is prone to fast wear off because of friction. The engagement system for the chronograph in these movements, a so called "lever actuated", is based on a double pinion resting continously on the second wheel of the main movement, that is engaged by a lateral movement to the chronograph wheel once the start button is pushed. This pinion and wheels rapidly lose their position because of wearing off, and can no longer work as expected. My watchman indicated that this problem also happens to the original ETA 775x movements.......but after many years of extensive usage, and as spare parts are available it is easily fixed. But these parts cannot be used to substitute them in the clones, so we cannot find a practical solution for those of us who use the chronograph extensively........except substituting the clone movement for an original ETA one. I am already considering this definite solution, being ETA 7751 available for U$D 700, but I could not find any ETA 7753 available yet.

I've already asked my watchman about the Segull st 19, but he has not serviced any yet. So for next replicas to consider, I will probably look into quartz ones sadly.........

Any information on availability of ETA 7753 movement will be much appreciated !!!

Ed

 

[Silvire]

Thank you very much for your answer!

Another question, when the chronograph stopped working, does the watch still keep time?
And does the chronograph just stay at the "12" or the "zero" position, facing straight up?

This is an important question for me, because I don't mind using the chronograph until it fails, and then just use the watch as a normal watch w/o chronograph function.

However if, when the chronograph fails, the entire watch fails too, then that's a problem for me.

To answer on a specific timeline, I am an extensive chronograph user (2-3 times a day), and the chronograph in two replicas I own with 775x movements stopped working after arounbd two months' usage in both cases (Omega Speedmaster Day Date with modified 7750 clone and Panerai 251 with 7753 clone).

So...I took both to my watchman, who opened them and showed me the reason for the problem. The material with which these replicas is made is much "softer" than the one used in the original swiss ones, so it is prone to fast wear off because of friction. The engagement system for the chronograph in these movements, a so called "lever actuated", is based on a double pinion resting continously on the second wheel of the main movement, that is engaged by a lateral movement to the chronograph wheel once the start button is pushed. This pinion and wheels rapidly lose their position because of wearing off, and can no longer work as expected. My watchman indicated that this problem also happens to the original ETA 775x movements.......but after many years of extensive usage, and as spare parts are available it is easily fixed. But these parts cannot be used to substitute them in the clones, so we cannot find a practical solution for those of us who use the chronograph extensively........except substituting the clone movement for an original ETA one. I am already considering this definite solution, being ETA 7751 available for U$D 700, but I could not find any ETA 7753 available yet.

I've already asked my watchman about the Segull st 19, but he has not serviced any yet. So for next replicas to consider, I will probably look into quartz ones sadly.........

Any information on availability of ETA 7753 movement will be much appreciated !!!

Ed

 

[bivalvous]

The "standard watch" continued working, and after my watchman serviced them (complete clean-lubrication-adjustment) both run at about + 7 seconds per day.
For the chronograph hands, they are aligned to cero and I use both without the chronograph, obviously.....

In case you need to align the chronograph hands by yourself, it is not so difficult having some tools and a good loupe. Search for some videos in youtube from somebody from UK who dissasembles and reassembles a Breitling with a "rusty Valjoux 7751", the chinese clones are extremely similar to the original ETA ones but obviously with softer materials.....but following the video you will not have problems to DIY. You will need to only open the back, locate the chronograph running wheels and move them to align the hands to cero, without having to take the dial and the hands.....unless some part of the chronograph has dissengaged and the the hands move freely.

Ed

 

[M.R.Schmidt]

Yeah I think the same, I allways use intensively my chronos, the times that stopped working only needed readjusyement