Is it possible to build 196 or 27 for under $1500 or $1000?

[Craftsman]

Ok, I have recently started making high-end straps for my own watches. I recently branched out into custom, made to order, straps rather successfully. But, only for the brands that I currently own * Korsbek - Ocean Explorer, Kobold - Soarway Diver Seal, Kobold - Aviation B*. I prefer to make straps for watches that I have in hand as I can take the strap design or leather choice for a "test drive".

(I am not looking to sell here folks this is just for background. I just need some some advice from the rep world. Sooooo, I am not posting any pics or links)

I want a Panerai to wear and to start building straps for them, but I cant afford to pay the huge prices for one.

I know no rep is perfect and the models I want are not available any longer. Therefore I know I am going to have to build what I am after. I want to build it to be as accurate as possible and reliable as possible (duh right...that what every one wants)

SO! Is it possible to build an acurate PAM 196 (with correct movement) for $1500 or a PAM 27 power reserve (with correct movement) for less than $1000?

I know some one has already bought the different models to build these watches.

So could some one please list:
1. What dealer to get the different parts watches from.
2. What part is needed of of said watch (I.e. which watch contributes the dial, which one contributes the movement & dial, etc.)


Thank YOU!!!!

 

[LegendofSpeed]

Neither one is available off the shelf really anymore.... you would need to find one in the second hand market...

The 27 for a $1000 is not possible.... to get it close to accurate, you would need about $14-1500 at the very least....

For the 196, $1500 is possible... but tough.... figuring $11-1200 for the watch, $140 for gen crown (and install), $100 for lello datewheel and install, $80 for AR, $150 for lume, etc... you're pushing it...

 

[hooligan]

If you're OK with the newer, less correct bezel style on the current 196 reps, it would save you a couple hundred bucks, FYI.

The toughest part about the 27 is that the movements, dials and hands are SCARCE. I should have bought one last year when River temporarily had some back in stock for ~$800....

 

[LegendofSpeed]

I should have bought one last year when River temporarily had some back in stock for ~$800....

You and me both my friend...

 

[Craftsman]

I guess these two models will end up being my unicorns. What is funny to me, and I thought would NEVER happen is that I would pay $1500 for a fake watch. That money will get me a really nice genuine in many different brands.

Thanks folks, it looks a helluva lot easier to build or even buy pre-modded one of the 111 or 7750 based models.

As far as straps go, I guess anything will look good on a design so simple and elegant as t luminor, 111 type of design.

 

[LegendofSpeed]

As a model for straps, I would suggest a base model (002, 112, 000) as they accentuate a lot of designs...

 

[hooligan]

Yes, for your design purposes, I'm certain a 111 or, my current lust, a PAM088 would be fine. That way you have something for the interim until you find one of your unicorns.

The nicest thing about the models you picked, their build quality and movements *almost* justify the price. :wink:

Good luck!

 

[LegendofSpeed]

I'm up to the $1300-1500 range for my 2893 powered 063....

 

[Craftsman]

I agree. This exactly why didn't want to originally want to go with the more simple of the luminor designs. Most if not all of the owner of 111-112 reps should be making at least a few of their own straps. This a a spectacular model to try your hand at strap crafting.

There are many, many great strap makers out there for Panerai. Which is why I have stayed away from them for the most part.

The reason why I wanted a 196 specifically was to design a version of buckle-less strap to compliment the "busy face". I want to see what leathers look best, what size (if any at all) stitching compliments the dial tics, what thickness and taper looks best, and blah blah blah. And if it worked out, wear the hell out of the watch.


And then when I have used you all to perfect my evil plans I will take them and sell them to the people who will spend $5999.95 on the genuine watch. BWAAAHAHAHA!

Seriously.

1. You already have some superb strap makers and sponsors here.
2. It is always nice to surf a forum that you aren't selling on so you dont have to worry ABOUT selling and what customers toes your may step on with your remarks.

 

[Craftsman]

I'm up to the $1300-1500 range for my 2893 powered 063....

DANGIT! I didn't know there was a rep of this watch with the CORRECT movement. I guess the days of the ETA -correct movement powered Panerai's have gone by.

I will have to keep watching the sales forum.

 

[dadog13]

I'm up to the $1300-1500 range for my 2893 powered 063....

DANGIT! I didn't know there was a rep of this watch with the CORRECT movement. I guess the days of the ETA -correct movement powered Panerai's have gone by.

I will have to keep watching the sales forum.

there is one fully modded 063 FS on RWG for 750EUR (cca. 1000$) but it doesn't have the 2893mvt...you can easilly buy a mvt for cca. 350USD and throw it in...you would find yourself with a FULLY modded rep for less than 1300$...

 

[hooligan]

there is one fully modded 063 FS on RWG for 750EUR (cca. 1000$) but it doesn't have the 2893mvt...you can easilly buy a mvt for cca. 350USD and throw it in...you would find yourself with a FULLY modded rep for less than 1300$...

Except the 2836 hands don't fit the 2893. The good news there is that Davidsen sells a hands set for the 2893. The bad news is that the triangle of the GMT hand that DSN sells is far too big.

Why on earth would anyone pay $1K for a 2836 powered 063?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Fully modded or not, that price is silly!

 

[TA8088]

there is one fully modded 063 FS on RWG for 750EUR (cca. 1000$) but it doesn't have the 2893mvt...you can easilly buy a mvt for cca. 350USD and throw it in...you would find yourself with a FULLY modded rep for less than 1300$...

Except the 2836 hands don't fit the 2893. The good news there is that Davidsen sells a hands set for the 2893. The bad news is that the triangle of the GMT hand that DSN sells is far too big.

Why on earth would anyone pay $1K for a 2836 powered 063?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Fully modded or not, that price is silly!

Yeah I saw that one as well. It's nicely done but there is no way that I would spend a grand on the 2836 version even with the mods done. Sadly there was an unmodded 2893-2 one over there that sold over there for about $475 (actually less if you sold off the bracelet that came on it) about within the last two week as well. Forgot that with the pound weak against the dollar it was a great deal and I missed it. The 063 is one of my grails and I have all the parts to do one right but just have to actually get my hands on the watch.

 

[Craftsman]

I have to say that I would rather start off with the correct movment if possible. I read that dials and hands more often than not do not transfer between different movment models. The 7750 and 7753 being a prime example. Does this not apply to non-chronograph ETA movements? If I am incorrect in my thinking please let me know.

So all ''super reps'' are based off of asian 7750's huh?




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[hooligan]

Well, the older, low-beat A7750 used the same size hands as the ETA7750. The new, high-beat A7750 uses slightly different sized hands for *some* of the hands. I'm not sure which ones will and won't work with the ETA, though. I think it might be just the center seconds hand? In which case, that's a non-issue for any of the non-chrono PAMs.

Yes, all of the current auto "super reps" for Panerai use the A7750.

I have a base dial "super rep" (Pre-A 002) on it's way back to me from vaccum, but it's a long way from stock. :wink:

 

[Craftsman]

So, the the big question is:

What "super rep" possible with stocks and models that are CURRENTLY available?

I doubt seriously anything 7753 or 2893 powered is coming up for sale soon so I should probably alter my goals a bit.

 

[LegendofSpeed]

I doubt seriously anything 2893 powered is coming up for sale soon so I should probably alter my goals a bit.

8)

 

[Craftsman]

I doubt seriously anything 2893 powered is coming up for sale soon so I should probably alter my goals a bit.

8)

Could this just be a bit of........for-shadowing? Or most likely wishfull thinking on my part!

Maybe I don't need all of those cordovan shells. Mayhaps I need multiple watches instead.





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