I need help choosing a Panerai

[donny007]

Hello everyone,
I am new in this forum. I am looking to get a Panerai rep for the first time. Actually I’ve been looking at the Panerai 1312 which I really like it but I’m wondering where can I find the highest quality of it? I would appreciate the help.
Thanks!

 

[Ghostrider757]

Order one from any of the TD’s. They all have access to the same products.

 

[KOT1917]

Hello.

In general, this forum is better to use not so.
Each model has a discussion, and sometimes more than one, and using the keyword search bar, you can find them.
The problem may be that you will find a lot of meaningless threads with questions, and at best, not relevant answers, and this is the reason why creating such threads is not the best way.

For now, you will learn how to do this, and I will try to make the thread useful, although not relevant after a while.
Now you can buy PAM1312 TTF, it's far from perfect, here's a thread discussing it:


https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/10328180-pam1312-ttf

https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/10335445-ttf-new-pam1312-pam1314/page2

And a review of its closest relative PAM1314 TTF, where the advantages and disadvantages are well disclosed, which are generally equal for these models, and a lot of good photos, although, I must admit, in my opinion PAM1314 TTF is made better:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/10372535-ttf-1314-review-heavy-pic-load

The best before it, and generally recognized as the PAM1312 VSF, it became one of the best and most accurate models of 2020, but the VSF is now working and not, and you will have to contact all TDs to check availability:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9505412-pam-1312-from-vsf-released/page6

https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/9505424-new-release-pam1312-vsf

And here is a very useful comparison of PAM1312 VSF on the case part and some parts with GEN:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...xx-luminor-1950-caseset-vsf-vs-gen-comparison

Before that, the previous generation PAM1312 with lume patina and transparent caseback was produced by v6f and zf factories, you can find these themes yourself. Because of the transparent caseback and the A7750 with a decorative panel, this watch is generally worse, but still good.
You will find links to the threads yourself, and you will find m2m for the watch, because these factories no longer exist.

Also, you should pay attention to the PAM312 VSF and find the thread that originally compared the PAM312 and the old generation PAM1312 in order to generally understand the essence of the lineup and the principle of choice.

In general, it just doesn't work out that way. Read, find out, join our ranks, and ask questions that have never been asked, but rather find answers yourself, formulate them, and write not questions, but answers. And then the forum will become truly informational.

Good luck to you.

 

[donny007]

KOT1917 thank you so much for taking your time writing all these informations to me. I really appreciate your help, and I’m happy that I joined this forum. I saw all the informations and as far as I understood the new VSF p9010 clone model is the closest one to the genuine... am I right?

 

[DkHelmet]

I think you'll generally find here that there's a strong sense of "do research yourself first". There's a strong influx of random Reddit users who pop in the Rolex forum and post "what is best sub?", and so the whole community tends to be allergic to these. KOT did yeoman's work with a ton of links. Read and read and read. You can post in old threads with specific questions, too.

Each watch has tradeoffs, there's really no such thing as "closest to genuine". You might have a great dial and listen to the rotor go whirrrrrr as it unwinds or the dw may be sliiightly misaligned. Such is life of Chinese Swiss Quality.

VSF is dead but the corpse is still apparently twitching, now with a $100 markup or so. Do your diligence. If you want a perfect PAM there's a fantastic dealer network over here.

 

[Dragonfan]

I would point you toward the M2M section but it is difficult to land a good one recently. It seems most are sold within minutes, or at most hours, of being listed. Still worth a try. Good luck.

 

[donny007]

DkHelmet with the closest to gen I meant between TTF and VSF. Who has better quality.
Dragonfan I checked the M2M but I see the watches are overpriced. For example I saw Pam005 for $248 at jtime while at M2M was for $500... don’t you think it might be the same watch being sold for a higher price?

 

[KOT1917]

The quality of VSF is objectively higher than the quality of TTF.
PAM005 HWF, which will be conveniently bought from hont on sale for $168 (I don’t know if there was one, but it often happens on hwf models), will be more expensive than NOOB V4 which surpasses it in every detail and cost a little less than $300 new, and this was a few years ago. Plus, pay attention to the straps, which can be 5 pieces in a set, and each has a retail price of $ 150-200, and it is taken into account cheaper in the calculation.

As for the price increase, m2m does not tolerate speculation, but how can a person sell the legendary PAM064 for $368 at its stock price from TB, a few years ago. Of course, when people often keep and improve watches for decades, bring in new stylish expensive straps, their contribution and willingness to let go of what has not been received for many years is highly appreciated.
Recently sold 192, or 002 dsn with a lot of modifications, these are all special watches, selling them for $ 250 you will not buy anything even close to equivalent.

Read the Ale Pam Guide, find your favorite pams model, and be upset that it's been over 10 years since they stopped producing, and come to the m2m section, charged with knowledge.

 

[Dragonfan]

DkHelmet with the closest to gen I meant between TTF and VSF. Who has better quality.
Dragonfan I checked the M2M but I see the watches are overpriced. For example I saw Pam005 for $248 at jtime while at M2M was for $500... don’t you think it might be the same watch being sold for a higher price?

supply vs. demand my friend

 

[JayBee0815]

Again on the subject of M2M: What you have to understand as a newcomer, especially with the Pam-Reps, is that the rule "newer equals better" does not apply here. With the exception of some VSFs, the vast majority of new reps are inferior to the good old reps in terms of quality. Therefore, it is understandable if sellers set their prices as high as the non-profit rule allows. But that does not mean that they are "overpriced". They are simply of very high quality and are still offered at prices that are sometimes well below comparable quality newer reps from Rolex, AP or PP at the TDs.

 

[Dragonfan]

what the previous poster said was 1000% correct. Below is a picture of my modest Panerai collection. All are reps except the 372 in the middle. The 364 and the 777 are the newest models but they are way behind the (much) older 000, 243 and 380 models in terms of build quality, fit & finish and accuracy to genuine counterparts.

 

[Tucker]

DkHelmet with the closest to gen I meant between TTF and VSF. Who has better quality.
Dragonfan I checked the M2M but I see the watches are overpriced. For example I saw Pam005 for $248 at jtime while at M2M was for $500... don’t you think it might be the same watch being sold for a higher price?

Do you have a link to that 005 sale? The Sales Mods have their shit together and review every sale carefully. If they don't catch it then it certainly doesn't get by the members of the forum who do an excellent job of policing each other. If you see something like this PM a staff member with a link to the sales thread.

 

[donny007]

Dragonfan wow beautiful collection!! Who’s been your TD’s for these beautiful watches?

 

[Dragonfan]

Thank you. I like it. I’ve put it together from a mixture of TD’s (Puretime, Perfect Clones) and M2M sales.