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HWF PAM417 feels like a bargain

TerminatorConn

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The HWF PAM417 feels like such a bargain. The 6497-2 based movement is very similar to my Weiss 42mm Standard Issue Field Watch. Each time I wear it I just truly love it. I picked it up from Hont on special at $198. It was a deal I couldn’t pass up.

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papabear244

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I’ve also grown to love these 6497s. Welcome to the Pam world, this will probably not be your last.


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AP_VC

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Looks good but has the wrong hands: an instant tell.
They need to be Pre-V ones.

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bigugo

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Looks good but has the wrong hands: an instant tell.
They need to be Pre-V ones.

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Sorry for the noob question but are you able to share what the hands should look like?
 

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PRE-V is conventionally called the historical form of hands 6497 PANERAI, which was used in the PRE-V period.
Later, hands of a slightly different shape and design began to be used, they began to be called modern, in fact, from the PRE-A period.

Indeed, later, for different models in different ways, but mainly in the region of 2008-2010, on 6497 models became again put PRE-V hands, which differed from the historical PRE-V, but for the most part, similar to them in tip shape, longer than the lume strip, although the design is somewhat different, and the proportions.
At the same time, on the HW manufacture models, on the P.5000, P.6000, such as conditionally, PAM911 or PAM1085, "Modern hand" has remained to this day.

Here is a sample photo of the current PRE-V hands:
jArYqS.jpg

But this is usually called Modern:
jAryXQ.jpg

This can apply to both gold and polished hands.

This is how the difference might look on the dial:
jAr8fK.jpg


But in general, this is a story only about the HW models in the bettarini case.

Different models should have different types of hands. Long cycle models like PAM005 or PAM111 may have different hands depending on the series.

Panerai boutique editions are supposed to have PRE-V hands, like all HW PAMs on 6497 at that time:



but HWF used the modern version all over the place to unify them with the PAM1085 (which has polished but also modern hands).

This error has occurred in factories before (especially in the series, when pam000 / 005/111 switched back to PRE-V hands), and in modern models, such as the PAM911 from NOOB, where it is already just a way to unify and save.

The good news is that any hands can be bought from suppliers such as Jakson, Helenarou, Getat, Dsn and those who are currently working with them.
It is important to be careful to match the hand lume to match the dial.
 
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bigugo

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KOT1917 schholing the rest of us like always mate. Thank you for the thorough explanation and making it look simple :notworthy:. I still struggle to tell the difference :(
 

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This one is not always easy to see, especially with different brightness settings, and indeed when you look at black hands on a black background. Forgive me not for the model under discussion, but ideal for this explanation, to see once and for all, I think the PAM114, which has been produced during the existence of the model with different types of hands. I hope it will be intelligible and clear. Otherwise, REP is easier for you to choose than some others. :)
 

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KOT1917 yep got it now :thumbsup: basically the Pre-V hands have the longer lume strip that goes all the way into the triangle point of the hand where as the modern one stops before the triangle point.
 
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Numbers and index lines are way too thick on HWF Pam417 and HWF Pam914
 

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PRE-V is conventionally called the historical form of hands 6497 PANERAI, which was used in the PRE-V period.
Later, hands of a slightly different shape and design began to be used, they began to be called modern, in fact, from the PRE-A period.

Indeed, later, for different models in different ways, but mainly in the region of 2008-2010, on 6497 models became again put PRE-V hands, which differed from the historical PRE-V, but for the most part, similar to them in tip shape, longer than the lume strip, although the design is somewhat different, and the proportions.
At the same time, on the HW manufacture models, on the P.5000, P.6000, such as conditionally, PAM911 or PAM1085, "Modern hand" has remained to this day.

Here is a sample photo of the current PRE-V hands:
jArYqS.jpg

But this is usually called Modern:
jAryXQ.jpg

This can apply to both gold and polished hands.

This is how the difference might look on the dial:
jAr8fK.jpg


But in general, this is a story only about the HW models in the bettarini case.

Different models should have different types of hands. Long cycle models like PAM005 or PAM111 may have different hands depending on the series.

Panerai boutique editions are supposed to have PRE-V hands, like all HW PAMs on 6497 at that time:



but HWF used the modern version all over the place to unify them with the PAM1085 (which has polished but also modern hands).

This error has occurred in factories before (especially in the series, when pam000 / 005/111 switched back to PRE-V hands), and in modern models, such as the PAM911 from NOOB, where it is already just a way to unify and save.

The good news is that any hands can be bought from suppliers such as Jakson, Helenarou, Getat, Dsn and those who are currently working with them.
It is important to be careful to match the hand lume to match the dial.

Thanks a lot for the info, when I get around to servicing this I’ll snag those hands and give them to my watchsmith.
 
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In this review - render. Besides what I showed in the post above, here's another photo of GEN (PAM416/PAM417):

And here's at the time the written render, which is different from the actual model, you're linking to:
Please note that in the photo there is a caseback in the article number with the same 0.
 
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Old thread, but mind posting a pic of the case back? Thanks