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HWF 1080 Review - Slim Fiddy (pic heavy!)

JayBee0815

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I'm a big fan of the Pam 127 Fiddy, except that sometimes its "retro" crystal is a little too retro for me and refracts light too much at the edges. As an alternative, Panerai has the 372 in its program. But it only has two hands, which looks very minimalistic to me on the huge dial of a 47 Luminior. The 1080 is "the best of both worlds" - a 372 with the fancy Tobacco dial of the 127 and the small second hand on the 9. But the 1080 has a small but important disadvantage - it was only produced in an edition of 60 pieces for the German-speaking market and sold via the jeweler "Embassy" and was sold faster than you could look. Today, the 1080 is probably one of the most sought-after Pams ever. So I was even happier when KOT1917 told us on RWI that HWF is releasing a rep for this model. But the joy lasted only until I saw the first pictures. But by then it was too late. I had ordered a copy and the QC pictures arrived quickly as well. And suddenly, the anticipation was there again, because the HWF 1080 is a nice watch; although not an exact rep of the Pam 1080. But one after the other.

Dial

The 1080 has - like the 127 - a Tobacco dial, whose color changes from a very dark brown to a light milky coffee brown in sunlight. The sandwich-dial is matte, numbers and indices are yellow with green luminova. HWF did a good job with all of that, too. Numbers and indices are cleanly punched out, size and spacing are correct; also with the inscription "Luminor Panerai" and the "L-Swiss-Made-L" on the lower side of the dial. The lume is great!












Hands

The first big disillusionment comes with the hands. They look like a 1:1 copy of the 127, but the 1080 has a short hour hand. That´s an instant tell. The rep is recognizable as such at first glance, even by laymen. Since the 1080 is so rare and there are very few pictures of the Gen, it's hard to say more about the intricacies. However, it seems that the gold of the hands is a bit too pale and yellow-gold, while the hands of the Gen seem a bit red-gold. But I could be wrong here.







Case

Comparing the shape of different cases is always hard for me. Some are color blind, I am shape blind ;-)
First fears were that HWF simply takes the case of the 127. Fortunately, that is not the case. The case of the HWF 1080 shows much slimmer lines than the one of my XF 127 - more about that later when comparing the two watches.



To me, the case looks solid and good, and I can't see any major differences from the Gen. But that is emphatically my layman's opinion! I would bet the pros will find differences and are welcome to do so in the comments as well.

Caseback

Anything but perfect, however, is the caseback. The engraving makes a solid, if not perfect, impression. However, it is wrong! While the symbol "Friendship & Passion Paneristi" including the three stylized flags of the three German-speaking countries is correct, the serial number, the water resistance and the model number are engraved on the caseback of the HWF - and that not only contrary to Gen, where these infos can´t be found on the caseback, but also without exception wrong! The 1080 is only 100 and not 300 meters waterproof and has not 500, but 60 pieces. What's funny is that the water resistance is engraved correctly on the lugs. And the serial number engraved on the lugs doesn't match the serial number on the case cover either. I can't understand, how HWF could make such stupid mistakes.



Movement

While the Gen uses a P.3000, the HWF 1080 has a simple A6497 movement and that - unlike in the descriptions of the TDs - not with a P.3000 decoration, but out of the box without any decorations.

Crown and Crownguard

Again my shape blindness takes effect ;-)
It all looks ok to me. The crown is much thinner than on the 127 and is therefore very easy to wind. Expert comments are welcome here as well.





Straps

Rep Pam-Straps are garbage. That is also true here.



Crystal

Let's move on to perhaps the most important item on this model, the Crystal. The Gen has a Sapphire Crystal here, which is curved, but has a very steep curvature at the edge and only a slight curvature across the face. This is far more than a minor issue, as light refraction depends on the correct curvature. And here I am sorry to say that the HWF 1080 does not have the correct curvature. At the edge, the curvature is much too flat but not as flat as on the 127. I don't know how they cut the glass exactly. But the cut makes up for some of the wrong one. So the light is not refracted as much as the 127 by any means, but not as weakly as the 372 or the Gen either. It's a mishmash between the 127 and 372. The optical distortion isn't terribly great, and the cut creates very nice light patterns when the light hits it. That's ok. But it is still very different from the Gen.





Summary

With the wrong crystal, HWF unfortunately also wastes the chance to deliver a serious rep of the wonderful 1080. The wrong hour hand is easy to change, the wrong caseback is not visible on the arm and can be ignored; the same goes for the unkind simpel movement. But the 1080 lives from the optical distortion of the crystal and here, an exchange is not so easy. Therefore, the final verdict can unfortunately not be positive.






The HWF 1080 is undoubtedly a very nice watch, but more or less a very nice homage than a serious rep. Viewed as a watch, however, it pleases. The slim case is very comfortable to wear, and against the 127, the HWF 1080 seems almost modern and light on its feet. However, the TDs asking price of $348 is a bit high, considering that the movement was simply installed without any modification or decoration, and the rest is also solid, but not outstandingly finished. But the prices for reps have now once increased and the TDs also seem to have neatly turned the margin screw. That's the way it is in 2022, whether we like it or not.

HWF 1080 vs. XF 127

It's certainly interesting to compare this to a good 127-rep. Fortunately, I own the XF 127, so I have the opportunity to compare the two models. As you can see, they are very different. So the HWF 1080 is not a Fiddy with steel back, as already rumored ;-) It is rather a slim Fiddy with similarities to the Gen. A nice watch, but one that will have a hard time finding its fans. The flaws are just too big for that.


















 

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Thanks, JayBee0815 for all your effort and this nice and informative write-up. As with all the rest of the recent PAM releases I am torn, quite frankly.

As you say: It's a beautiful watch if you consider it a homage, but has many shortcomings if you are looking for the real thing.
 

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Although I am not really a Panerai enthusiast it is always great to see your photography skills! They bring me those watches as near as they can get;)
Thanks for your effort and beeing a great part of this community!

Almöhi!
 

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Inaccuracies aside, it is a beautiful watch nonetheless. I expect the price to drop 50$ like with many of the HWF models. Hopefully if there is a special deal and the price is right,


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JayBee0815 - Great review and thank you for taking the time to post it. Despite it's obvious and numerous flaws it's still a very nice looking watch - especially with a nice strap. Enjoy it!

I do have to say that you may also be colour blind along with shape blind if you think the 127 dial is tobacco colour!
 

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JayBee0815 - Great review and thank you for taking the time to post it. Despite it's obvious and numerous flaws it's still a very nice looking watch - especially with a nice strap. Enjoy it!

I do have to say that you may also be colour blind along with shape blind if you think the 127 dial is tobacco colour!

I depends on the sort of tobacco ;-)
But you are right. It's hard to find a word for this colour - vintage-dark?
 

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Great review Jaybee, even though it sadly ends with a negative feedback. And great pics too.
I've never been a fan of the "oversized allover" Fiddy, with a better care to details this one could have been the one for me. Still a nice watch but too bad there's too much flaws.

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Great review JayBee0815! :thumbsup:

Unfortunately, the HWF 1080 is nothing more than a nice try!
As you said > "I can't understand how HWF could make such stupid mistakes."
Hence it doesn't go in my collection!:shameonyou:
 
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Thanks for a great review mate, as always beautiful pics, you can make any rep look good ;)



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Thank you for your review!

I am very glad that there are those who have enough passion, skills and free time to prepare reviews in our section.
At the same time, given the general lack of rep pam, and the relatively low quality of copying those that are, your style of review, with the formation of basic details and a subjective view, for me, is ideal for the current situation, to maintain a positive attitude towards the hobby (and it is now not easy for everyone to draw from current releases).

Separately, I would like to thank you for the excellent photos, and in particular the comparison, in particular, with PAM127.

Below, I wanted to sum up a little for this model. I wrote a little more about the specifics of 47mm model cleats in the PAM673 HWF thread, although most of these conclusions apply to all models released during this period.

Therefore, I would like to add and/or specify the following:

- As far as I can see, the case is not correct, neither for the new one nor even, until the end, for the old luminor 1950 case.
All models in the new 1950 47mm case are polished, and due to the reflection, when the light falls, the shape is seen much better. However, in these photos, you can see the difference in shape, which is the "rib" of the middle line that runs along the perimeter of the case:
Whereas HWF has both sides and distance between lugs, without this line, albeit with small marks at the outer corners, which distinguishes the cushion from the PAM127 case type.

- Talking about the dial, it's hard to think about color, it's a delicate matter, and you need too many photos of gen, in different lighting conditions, to understand this, but what is definitely worth noting: as on most 47mm 1950 models: the font of the gen dial is engraved and covered with white paint , while the HWF is drawn. This is the reason why GEN lines look very thin, and yet very contrasting.

Also, in the discussion of the dial, I would bring up the idea that the HWF numerals and markers already traditionally look thicker. Due to the wider cutouts, or the smaller depth of the sandwich, it's not easy to tell from the photo, but I think they exaggerate when cut out.

- As for CG, without delving into the engraving fonts, in my opinion, it is noticeably smaller than it should be, and most importantly, I appear to have a crown of a smaller diameter, from the 44mm model.

Otherwise, just commenting on some of your notes:

- A very interesting situation is in the shape of the lugs, and the shape of the cup, which clearly differ from the classic 127. It was clear that the lugs are thinner and have a "shelf" like on the new 1950 cases, but I did not expect a very obvious difference in the shape of the crystal, which is the main bending radius does not fall on the projection of figures, and therefore blurring and telling from it is not so significant.

An interesting decision, and perhaps PANERAI has a lot to learn from HWF, but in fact, we have learned a case and a crystal that does not fit either the old or the new 1950 case. Is the average taken intentionally, or they just couldn't do either, I don't know.

In general, I agree with your conclusions: It's a beautiful watch (especially in your photos), but the price of ~300-350$ implies that this is a replica, and not at the level of dhgate, in terms of accuracy, and brra of parts from random models.