Help to identify this movement from PAM 1225

[ddish]

Can someone tell me what kind of movement this is? It is inside a PAM 1225 I got from Trusty. The second hand does not move so I opened it up to see if I could place the second hand on the stem better but to my surprise this is what I got inside the watch. It was supposed to be a Asian automatic movement modified to P900 Calibre Look according to the Trusty website. This does not look like the description at all.

 

[JayBee0815]

You are right. Thats a cheap ST2555 movement from Segaull. But if you read the description from Trustys website, it says "Asian Automatic Movement, 21600bph". Well, you got exactly, what you ordered. If you order a watch with a undefined low beat movement, you get either a cheap Seagull or even cheaper alternative or a DG2813. And hey, you payed 218 US$ for this watch, if the actual listing is correct. What do you expect?

 

[ddish]

I expected a watch that matched the description when I ordered the watch. Trusty changed the description just yesterday after i pointed out what i received. The original listing said Asian automatic 28800 bph movement modified to P900 Calibre Look. Now the website says something else. That is my issue along with the small second hand not moving. I dont expect a perfect rep for $200.00 but i would think the watch should work correctly and match what the description said at the time of purchase and not have it changed after I call him out on it.

 

[BlueLineFarmer]

OP - What did you expect for a $200 rep PAM, a Rolls Royce.

 

[KOT1917]

I believe that any movt., stated should have a working second hand.
Did you receive the watch like this, or did it happen later?

If it was on arrival, you must contact TT to resolve it.

If it happened later, ST2555 is a $ 50 movement, which is easy and cheap to replace.

 

[BlueLineFarmer]

I believe that any movt., stated should have a working second hand.
Did you receive the watch like this, or did it happen later?

If it was on arrival, you must contact TT to resolve it.

If it happened later, ST2555 is a $ 50 movement, which is easy and cheap to replace.

I suspect that the second hand stopped working after he had the PAM for some time.

 

[KOT1917]

Either way, talking to TD about this is always an option.

As for the description for TT, I try not to pay attention to the description at all, it may not help as often as someone might like, and it would be pretty obvious to me that this particular movement will be in PAM of this price category. By and large, having a solid caseback, while maintaining the dial layout and functionality, it is not so important at all what is inside.
But if it worried me, I would definitely clarify this with TD when communicating and / or request a photo.
I think it's no secret for anyone who has been working with rep for some time that the description of dealers is rather arbitrary, especially in watches of this price category.

 

[JayBee0815]

I expected a watch that matched the description when I ordered the watch. Trusty changed the description just yesterday after i pointed out what i received. The original listing said Asian automatic 28800 bph movement modified to P900 Calibre Look. Now the website says something else. That is my issue along with the small second hand not moving. I dont expect a perfect rep for $200.00 but i would think the watch should work correctly and match what the description said at the time of purchase and not have it changed after I call him out on it.

My above answer was just on your specific question. The problems with the second hand where only mentioned in the other thread. Like the other members said: Of course the watch should work, when it arrives. The ST2555 is cheap, but it is no junk movement. It is for example the "standard movement" in all the Pam-Reps sold under the AAA-Label or on Ali/DHGate, which are mostly in this price category too. So you should ask Andrew ... but dont expect too much from him. When you like the watch, you can go to a watchmaker, who can change the movement. It will cost sthg around 100 US$ incl. the work. That may not be, what you want to hear, but you only have a kind of guarantee from the TDs, that the watch works on arrival. Everything beyond is out of their business and a matter of goodwill. But Andrew is not known for his goodwill, when such kind of problems occure. I am sorry.

 

[ddish]

Everyone I appreciate your input. For the record the watch arrived yesterday with it not working. It never worked from the minute i opened the box. it was not supposed to have that movement and honestly i would have never known or cared unless it had a problem. I only opened up the back to see if it was an easy fix. When I saw it had this movement i got upset because it was advertised to have something else then after I contacted Andrew he changed the website immediately.
I suppose I can buy a new ST2555 on EBay and change it myself for about $40.00 but that's not the point. Andrew should not advertise something and give something else nor should I accept a watch that is DOA.
I normally buy higher end reps but i like the look of this one so much that i got knowing its flaws. I just hoped it would would work correctly. First time with Andrew and most likely the last.

 

[ddish]

OP - What did you expect for a $200 rep PAM, a Rolls Royce.

i expect a working watch. I think some of the people here need to be a little less cynical.

 

[BlueLineFarmer]

i expect a working watch. I think some of the people here need to be a little less cynical.

The question how long did you own the PAM for before the second hand stopped working.

 

[ddish]

It never worked. I only received it from China yesterday. The watch keeps time but the small second hand did not work from the time i opened the box and wound it for the first time. I am just going to remove the movement and see if possibly the small second hand was placed incorrectly from the factory. maybe its just jammed between the stem and the opening of the face.

 

[BlueLineFarmer]

It never worked. I only received it from China yesterday. The watch keeps time but the small second hand did not work from the time i opened the box and wound it for the first time. I am just going to remove the movement and see if possibly the small second hand was placed incorrectly from the factory. maybe its just jammed between the stem and the opening of the face.

Contact the RWI TD to advise them.

 

[lceniza]

I agree with the OP. The price of the watch should not matter, it should arrive in working order.

 

[lceniza]

I'm surprised no one here is bothered by the fact TT changed the description of what movement was inside the watch. I would think that is super shady. TT being in the business of selling reps, they should be prepared that some pieces will be defective. They should budget for refunds or discounts when such things happen.

 

[shyreplover]

I agreed that it has to arrive in working order without the bonus dings that do not exist previously in QC pics.

The general consensus here in rwi is that when the watch arrive dead it is better to just repair it yourself since sending back the watch to china is a nuisance (customs etc).

In OP's case, however, is not about the dead movement but false advertisement (or misunderstanding?) of the type of movement the watch has. It is best to contact the mods and ask for advise.

 

[ddish]

Thanks guys. Live and learn. I will never buy from Trusty again. And by the way i just fixed it myself. I opened it up, removed the movement and needed to adjust the small second hand that was jammed in too deep. Once i pried the the hand out a little it started to turn as normal and its now back on my wrist looking great.
The fact that he did change the description after i called him out on it is very shady indeed. He should not be a trusted dealer here. I hear more of the same on Reddit about him.

 

[ddish]

And one last thing, if I may offer a suggestion to all here, and maybe this is obvious to some, when you get your QC images, make sure you look at the placement of the second hand in the various images. Of course it should be in different positions but now that I look at my QC pics again, the second hand was in the same place throughout all images despite the time displayed on the dial. I never thought of checking that.