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donnydread

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And hey, I know that every purchase is personal preference. But I'm just curious of the worthy of the purchase; what watch is generally in better shape, lasts longer and just more worth to go for.

I got two options:

PAM 111 with Asso strap http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=PAM+111&product_id=87

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Patek Philipe Nautilus 5711 (with leather strap though) http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=102_188&product_id=885

Im generally just curious of what purchase would be most worth, I want the watches equally much, but if someone know if one of those are "better" in quality/appearance or so, what would I go for?
 
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pamdude

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Go for the 111 IMO. It has gen like feeling on wrist. Or even take a look at the 000 or 005 with closed CB.
For Nautilus, I think toro has a version with SW200 movt and that one has better finish.
 
Hawker789

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donnydread said:
Is it true the PAM rep got gen movement?

Isnt Miyoto 9015 better? Im thinking of this:
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=102_188&product_id=1120
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Hate to break it to you, but no replica watch has a "gen" movement. Movements are like car engines, there are many factors to makes one better than another. I think for a first PAM the 111 would be perfect. The A6497 movement is excellent, keeps time for a couple of days and very close the gen movement (specially if has been modded etc).
 
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donnydread

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Hawker789 said:
Hate to break it to you, but no replica watch has a "gen" movement. Movements are like car engines, there are many factors to makes one better than another. I think for a first PAM the 111 would be perfect. The A6497 movement is excellent, keeps time for a couple of days and very close the gen movement (specially if has been modded etc).
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I see!

Toro got three different PAM111s though.. Dont know which to pick, which one's more price worthy etc.. I generally want a cheaper one but dont know if the extra cash is worth it for a first PAM.

http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php/index.php?route=product/search&keyword=PAM 111
 
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pamdude

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donnydread said:
Is it true the PAM rep got gen movement?

Isnt Miyoto 9015 better? Im thinking of this:
http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=102_188&product_id=1120
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Second to what Hawker said, no rep will be 1:1.
However, some of the pams are considered as super reps because of the gen like appearance on your wrist.
I think you can't go wrong with a noob 111. Many of us here started with that watch.
Noob 029, 005, 000, 390, 243 and KW 41x are also worth buying. H factory stuff are cheaper but finish is usually worse that the other 2 factories.
Read Ale's guide if you have time. That's the pam bible here.
 
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donnydread

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pamdude said:
Second to what Hawker said, no rep will be 1:1.
However, some of the pams are considered as super reps because of the gen like appearance on your wrist.
I think you can't go wrong with a noob 111. Many of us here started with that watch.
Noob 029, 005, 000, 390, 243 and KW 41x are also worth buying. H factory stuff are cheaper but finish is usually worse that the other 2 factories.
Read Ale's guide if you have time. That's the pam bible here.
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Alright! So Is this PAM 111 from Noob a "super rep"?
 
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umblackbear359

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Go with a Pam 111 with a rubber strap, then buy a genuine leather staple to go with it. I got it because it was highly recommended on these boards and now it's one of my favorite pieces. It's also the only open caseback consensus super rep for any brand.
 
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Buy PAM111 from Toro with Y-Incabloc mod installed and u are >90% gen like.
 
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sarlan19

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Don't Worry about straps as you will need to buy some aftermarket ones. The rep strap are crap.

I got 2 straps from Don for my Pam 111. Never put the rep asso strap back on......
 
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pamdude

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Rep asso straps are not that bad to be honest...of course investing in an aftermarket strap is always cool.
 
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dood

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donnydread said:
I see!

Toro got three different PAM111s though.. Dont know which to pick, which one's more price worthy etc.. I generally want a cheaper one but dont know if the extra cash is worth it for a first PAM.

http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php/index.php?route=product/search&keyword=PAM 111
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It depends how important the quality of the movement is to you.

The cheaper one uses an asian clone movement with all Chinese parts. The more expensive version uses an ETA 6497, which is the same movement found in the gen, except without COSC certification and proper swan neck regulator.

Some people are fine with Chinese movements, others prefer to have Swiss. Depends on your personal preference.

Just be aware that there has been some talk that dealers advertise a watch has having genuine ETA movements when it's not true, but I don't know much about this or if it's true.
 
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PAM 111 is a good choice to start in PAM world

The main problem at this moment is that makers are in a transition period changing the old casesets to the new caseset models.
We cannot know what we will receive in ourparcels. We need to inspect carefully our QCpics
A new (completely NEW) Noob V4 caseset it wouldbe the best current option, but leaving aside some PAM 390, PAM 005 and PAM111 Noob don't deliverbarely V4 casesets.
H maker is also mixing new and old parts in thecurrent productions and the quality is a bit inconsistent. Besides H maker caseis very nicely finished but the edges are sharper than gen and the bezel has abit wrong shape and sharper transition edge

Anyway Noob V3 was already a super rep and all new versions are better than V3. Therefore all new reps will be also Super reps.

As I always say the best caseset so far would be a Noob V4 (with all new parts)

Maybe the best option is to get a PAM 111 with a complete (or almost complete) V4 caseset
Unfortunately, the only way to assure that is to study several good QC pics.

My advice is a model with Asian 6497 and without modds.Even if you get Incabloc modd you watch will have many details to tell the rep for a semi-expert. If people cannot see the other flaws will not be able to see the Incabloc. Therfore this modd is no worth IMO

Good luck
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