Help identifying the PAM reference of this 1950 composite watch

[craiguk]

Hi Panerai experts!

I've finally got my first Panerai incoming from a M2M sale here. I don't suppose it matters terribly but I'd be very interested to know exactly which model this is a rep of. The closest I could find was the PAM441 but that is a GMT so it certainly isn't that!

Cheers guys!

 

[mysterio]

It's a fantasy model. The dial is closest in appearance to the PAM441/PAM438 though missing the Ceramica text and like you said it's missing the GMT hand. Hands look more like the PAM661 carbotech with the gold color. .

 

[craiguk]

Thanks mysterio. Any idea who makes this?

 

[mysterio]

Thanks mysterio. Any idea who makes this?

None of the known factories as far as I know. Or the TDs would not even bother getting them and putting them on their websites as their clientelle are largely replica forum members.

 

[pechspils]

I don't mean to sound harsh but that's a Canal Street grade watch and I hope you didn't pay €200 for this PoS. It's probably why the seller can't remember where he's got it from.

 

[craiguk]

Hmm. OK. Thanks for the info guys.

 

[capice]

Mnot a known rep but a fantasymodel...does not matter as it looks nice and if you like it,...who cares...wear it well

 

[Nur-Uhr]

Hey guys, so I have to chime in because I sold this watch.
I bought this watch a longer time ago. (not from Ryan and not from Sead - from whom I buy the watches the last two years.)
Cannot remember if it came from Silix, Watchfinder, .... or anyone else.
I describe my watches and photograph them always as good as I can. See therefore also the other sales threads in the past.
I am also no Panerai guy and sold the two models I had here at M2M (Pam587 and this one)

 

[craiguk]

Thanks all,

Just to be clear I have nothing but good things to say about Nur-Uhr . He's been a gentleman throughout and if it turns out that the value of this watch is much lower than what I paid he's already offered to refund some of the money by PayPal.

So now that's out of the way could some Pam expert give a view as to a fair price for this watch (noting that it does come with two straps, two buckles, but also dial damage). I paid €150 including shipping to UK (from Germany).

Cheers!

Craig

 

[capice]

If it is indeed an A7750, and with an extra strap with matching buckle, that is a very fair price...normally A7750 can be more expensive, depending on the age and the watch.

 

[pechspils]

With the balance wheel at 6 this is most likely not an A7750.

 

[craiguk]

With the balance wheel at 6 this is most likely not an A7750.

Many thanks. My watch noobness (and not the factory!) is showing here. Is this something you can tell from the photos:

Craig

 

[capice]

balance @6

 

[nalomb]

23J Movement?


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[kilowattore]

21j. 150 euro including two straps sounds about right imho.

 

[craiguk]

Thanks for all the input guys. So to sumarise it's somewhere between "canal grade watch" and "about right"

I will discuss this further with Nur-Uhr via PM. Thanks again.

 

[capice]

Nur-Uhr stated it was a composite model so the salesinfo was clear. Only thing it was offered as an A7750.....When I started out, 50% of the reps were 21J mvts...i still have a lot of them, and all run good( for 12 years now). I paid 150-300 euro for them depending on the model..your buy is a good deal with 2 straps...It is a decorated mvt which are a bit more expensive. Enjoy the watch.

 

[mysterio]

Thanks for all the input guys. So to sumarise it's somewhere between "canal grade watch" and "about right"

I will discuss this further with Nur-Uhr via PM. Thanks again.

For a fantasy watch, it is nicely made. Cannot classify it otherwise. Like my carbotech 44mm with a sunburst dial. It's a fantasy (and no longer available as I understand it) but I like it. .

 

[Nur-Uhr]

Hello guys,
thank you also for the input.
As already said, I am unfortunately no Panerai guy and miles away from an expert for PAM at all.
I offered the watch as good as possible and with the information I had from it. Watch is not brand new and I have worn it only a few times. Not my style. Watch itself looks nice (as much as I can judge when only looking at it)
So the pirce is fair? I have sold it for EUR150,- with second strap and second buckle and included shipping to UK (strap was EUR 29,- / buckle was EUR 10,- / shipping EUR 15,80)
I have tried to make as good as possible pictures in the sales thread and also to decribe it with all information I have...
Unfortunately I was wrong

EDIT:: We are now trying to find solution per PM (refund money back or send watch back to me)
Thanks again for the input to the experts!

 

[craiguk]

Hi all,

Just for the record Nur-Uhr has given me the choice of returning the watch for a complete refund or a partial refund if I prefer to keep the watch. He has been a complete gentleman throughout and feels bad about the whole thing. I have no hesitation in recommending Nur-Uhr as a seller. Great guy.

Thanks also to everyone for their input with this. It is very much appreciated.

Craig