Having a stick thread of Super Reps updated

[Drew01]

Hey guys,
Something that was on my mind and wanted to know your thought on this:

One of the most recurrent questions made on this forums and in the overall rep business is : "What's the most gen like Rolex/Patek/IWC/Audemars/Omega etc....?

And on my side, if I don't keep informed on daily basis on a specific brand, I can't easily become lost on what's happening.

What do you think of the idea of having a sticky "Super Reps" thread on each rep brand, with only the actual Super Reps available on the market, explaining the flaws with why not some pictures (but the idea is also to keep is super simple without having tons of picture).
And replace everytime a new model beat the old one.
Once again I'm only talking about super reps and not every model that comes out.
There are so many "brand" experts here and it would be great to have one guy for each brand that handles that.

That way if you don't follow up on a brand for months, you don't have to look at 42321 pages before knowing the major improvements that have been done.

What do you guys think?

 

[2fake4u]

theres a list in there which would be a good starting point. Should probably just sticky this thread so it doesnt get buried on page 7 by all the "Whats the best X" and "Has anyone use (insert sketchy website)"

https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/not-worth-buying-in-gen.335763/

 

[nalomb]

This would be great, but its going to take a lot of work from a lot of people.

I think ALE has spoiled us with the PAM Guide and all the great guys in the PAM section who work their tails off. There are also trade-offs between brands and the definition of Super Rep varies from brand to brand. For example, most older hand-wind PAM's use a relatively simple A6497 movement. Slap on new bridge plates and you have a helluva rep.

Unfortunately, this is not the case with brands like Patek, Breguet, or Vacheron where the movement is much tougher to replicate in aesthetics, let alone what's really under the hood (or caseback in this instance haha). So what does a 'Super Rep' Patek look like? Do we accept the limitations of what rep factories can produce and just call the closest a Super Rep? Or do we hold to one standard across brands? Does that hurt the brands with more complex mechanicals and make them less appealing with less sales and therefore less likely that a factory will take a risk on new model?

As a useful tool for consumers, the PAM Guide is second to none. But what doesn't get said often enough is how it helped the factories step up their game in producing a better product with better educated buyers. My guess is that a project like this will not have a whole lot of front end benefit, but could yield great long-term results if the factories/makers can use it as a resource as well.

 

[nalomb]

theres a list in there which would be a good starting point. Should probably just sticky this thread so it doesnt get buried on page 7 by all the "Whats the best X" and "Has anyone use (insert sketchy website)"

https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/not-worth-buying-in-gen.335763/

+1 on this ...

 

[Drew01]

theres a list in there which would be a good starting point. Should probably just sticky this thread so it doesnt get buried on page 7 by all the "Whats the best X" and "Has anyone use (insert sketchy website)"

https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/not-worth-buying-in-gen.335763/

The idea here is great but once again... 46 pages, still going, all the brands are mixed and there is no update on the first page.
What if you have someone who only wants to know about IWC or Zenith?

 

[Drew01]

This would be great, but its going to take a lot of work from a lot of people.

I think ALE has spoiled us with the PAM Guide and all the great guys in the PAM section who work their tails off. There are also trade-offs between brands and the definition of Super Rep varies from brand to brand. For example, most older hand-wind PAM's use a relatively simple A6497 movement. Slap on new bridge plates and you have a helluva rep.

Unfortunately, this is not the case with brands like Patek, Breguet, or Vacheron where the movement is much tougher to replicate in aesthetics, let alone what's really under the hood (or caseback in this instance haha). So what does a 'Super Rep' Patek look like? Do we accept the limitations of what rep factories can produce and just call the closest a Super Rep? Or do we hold to one standard across brands? Does that hurt the brands with more complex mechanicals and make them less appealing with less sales and therefore less likely that a factory will take a risk on new model?

As a useful tool for consumers, the PAM Guide is second to none. But what doesn't get said often enough is how it helped the factories step up their game in producing a better product with better educated buyers. My guess is that a project like this will not have a whole lot of front end benefit, but could yield great long-term results if the factories/makers can use it as a resource as well.

I get what you're saying. A watch could be a super rep for someone, and a okay rep for another. The idea would be to have the most expert in each brand that gives their ideas on the question.
And then everyone can still make their own research to see if there is other model that could be Super rep in their eyes.

 

[2fake4u]

The idea here is great but once again... 46 pages, still going, all the brands are mixed and there is no update on the first page.
What if you have someone who only wants to know about IWC or Zenith?

I get what you are saying, but the majority of that info is in either that thread, or in the brand specific sub forums.

 

[nalomb]

The idea here is great but once again... 46 pages, still going, all the brands are mixed and there is no update on the first page.
What if you have someone who only wants to know about IWC or Zenith?

In this particular case, I would comb through this thread, create a spreadsheet in alphabetical order with embedded links (so the IWC guy can go right to the meat) as a starting point. Then start tapping the guys who are the head honchos or accepted experts in each brand and have them help populate the data, pictures, reviews, etc. Create a sticky in the General Discussion part of the Forum (with Mod approval, of course) and close it so that we don't have 80 pages of gobblity-gook -- just the data on the first page.

It seems to me that you've nominated yourself to be the general on this mission haha -- it could be a great resource if you got enough help!!

 

[afdaddy]

FFS....this same thread has existed in numerous forms over the years.....but posts keep getting added to it, it grows to 50 pages, then it becomes unusable. So the solution, 1 to 2 people maintain it......so do you want to step up and do all the work to maintain it? You can barely keep up on the comings and goings as it is it sounds.....

The mods do the best they can to make this place a resource.....but at a certain point, either folks have to undertake a valiant effort like ALE has or folks have to deal with not being spoonfed.

If you want the best version of a watch, go the dealers sites and find the latest version, then stroll to the review section and see if folks have done a review yet -- most times you'll find one, if not CONTRIBUTE TO THE FORUM and do a review yourself!!!! See how that works?

 

[Drew01]

FFS....this same thread has existed in numerous forms over the years.....but posts keep getting added to it, it grows to 50 pages, then it becomes unusable. So the solution, 1 to 2 people maintain it......so do you want to step up and do all the work to maintain it? You can barely keep up on the comings and goings as it is it sounds.....

The mods do the best they can to make this place a resource.....but at a certain point, either folks have to undertake a valiant effort like ALE has or folks have to deal with not being spoonfed.

If you want the best version of a watch, go the dealers sites and find the latest version, then stroll to the review section and see if folks have done a review yet -- most times you'll find one, if not CONTRIBUTE TO THE FORUM and do a review yourself!!!! See how that works?

"FFS!!!!" here's a hella brainy man right here! I can show you easily 2 threads per day for each brand asking about "what's the most gen like...", now show me the same concept of thread I did for even 1 time in the last month, and let's see which one begrime this community. Alright?

I never said I was an expert, I never said anything negative about the mods here, I'm just speaking what's on my mind about the most asking questions that I see here every day. Is is not a contribution to giving an idea?
You have people making reviews using some super detailed macro shots, some people deconstructing watches, people putting their time to explain for the fifth times the best Diver possible is to take dial V342 dial with V263526 Crystal etc.....
Tell me in what it's outraged to say that one expert per brand can do a list of the best reps possible on the market (like what...10 watches per brand maax?), with no pictures, with just 1 note like "could use Noob V3 Dial for a even better result", and take 5 min every month, each time a better model comes out to replace the old one?
Especially when you can put the thread's link in the FAQ and close any thread starting with "i want to buy my first rep that looks 100% like a gen", and having a little bit cleaner's type of thread overall?

Are you the spokesperson for this community? Is it impossible to have people here interested in that idea?

 

[2fake4u]

Why the hostility?

Why not take on one of the brands and start doing it? This is a fun hobby for most, so asking them to work for free to help you figure out which one to buy is a little selfish. Not to mention if you were going to do a review on each new model that comes out, you'd spend a small fortune on rep watches just so some noob could come in and still not read.

The info is out there and it would be nice if it was all easily found in 1 thread, but it isnt hard to also search and find reviews for almost every high quality rep out there.

 

[RepPossessed]

Nahhh..

 

[Maron]

If only there were a function on this site where if we needed to know about a subject there were a way to find all the threads related

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[atgm]

If you think there should be a thread like that, go ahead and make/maintain the first post in it. The problem is that people will just overlook it anyway... there was a pretty popular thread called "the best reps from each factory" or something that had a nice, comprehensive list, but it petered out as well.

 

[Drew01]

Why the hostility?

Why not take on one of the brands and start doing it? This is a fun hobby for most, so asking them to work for free to help you figure out which one to buy is a little selfish. Not to mention if you were going to do a review on each new model that comes out, you'd spend a small fortune on rep watches just so some noob could come in and still not read.

The info is out there and it would be nice if it was all easily found in 1 thread, but it isnt hard to also search and find reviews for almost every high quality rep out there.

I'm not asking that to have people working for free for me, to help me figure which watches to buy, but more an overall help for everyone.
I don't need that because when I love a watch, I make all the research myself on that specific model, and I know the flaws and everything else on the watches I'm interested in.
For example, I was never really a fan of Rolex, the first model that makes me want one is the 116655, so I made research on it and I know the differences with Gen, but I'm unable to tell you anything on others Rolex model.
It would take me so much work and time to make research on all Rolex watches.... I don't know anything on Blancpain, Zenith etc...You said it's a fun hobby for most and I agree, you know there are Rolex experts here who can make a list in 5 min of all the best Rolex rep with their specific flaws. Same with the experts of other brands.

In all project, you can be helped by more knowledgeable people to have a more efficient results. I don't get why here people are like "do everything yourself and don't bother!"

Just imagine if there is an Excell sheet or anything with no more that 10 of the best watches for each brand with : Brand name, the specific model name, the year of the release, a note from 1 to 10, the flaws, and what you can do to improve it, with updates every time there is a better version.
That would be a killer documents that could be used for a lot of purposes.

 

[Maron]

I'm not asking that to have people working for free for me, to help me figure which watches to buy, but more an overall help for everyone.
I don't need that because when I love a watch, I make all the research myself on that specific model, and I know the flaws and everything else on the watches I'm interested in.
For example, I was never really a fan of Rolex, the first model that makes me want one is the 116655, so I made research on it and I know the differences with Gen, but I'm unable to tell you anything on others Rolex model.
It would take me so much work and time to make research on all Rolex watches.... I don't know anything on Blancpain, Zenith etc...You said it's a fun hobby for most and I agree, you know there are Rolex experts here who can make a list in 5 min of all the best Rolex rep with their specific flaws. Same with the experts of other brands.

In all project, you can be helped by more knowledgeable people to have a more efficient results. I don't get why here people are like "do everything yourself and don't bother!"

Just imagine if there is an Excell sheet or anything with no more that 10 of the best watches for each brand with : Brand name, the specific model name, the year of the release, a note from 1 to 10, the flaws, and what you can do to improve it, with updates every time there is a better version.
That would be a killer documents that could be used for a lot of purposes.

How do you think the experts became experts?

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[Drew01]

How do you think the experts became experts?

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Maybe starting with the high interest in a specific brand.
A big IWC fan would be a better expert than a guy who doesn't really care about the brand.
Or people who care about the smallest details of the watch VS people who only care about the overall look.

 

[Rabbagasten]

So OP basically want someone else to do the grunt work, because of many threads not giving the exact information needed readily available? On the other hand he does not need such a list for himself, as he puts in an effort to do proper research? Sorry man, it does´t ring well with me.

 

[2fake4u]

I'm not asking that to have people working for free for me, to help me figure which watches to buy, but more an overall help for everyone.
I don't need that because when I love a watch, I make all the research myself on that specific model, and I know the flaws and everything else on the watches I'm interested in.
For example, I was never really a fan of Rolex, the first model that makes me want one is the 116655, so I made research on it and I know the differences with Gen, but I'm unable to tell you anything on others Rolex model.
It would take me so much work and time to make research on all Rolex watches.... I don't know anything on Blancpain, Zenith etc...You said it's a fun hobby for most and I agree, you know there are Rolex experts here who can make a list in 5 min of all the best Rolex rep with their specific flaws. Same with the experts of other brands.

In all project, you can be helped by more knowledgeable people to have a more efficient results. I don't get why here people are like "do everything yourself and don't bother!"

Just imagine if there is an Excell sheet or anything with no more that 10 of the best watches for each brand with : Brand name, the specific model name, the year of the release, a note from 1 to 10, the flaws, and what you can do to improve it, with updates every time there is a better version.
That would be a killer documents that could be used for a lot of purposes.

Pick a brand and do one and maybe others will follow. You can even do it for just the 116655. Im sure you are aware of all the different Rolex Reps, so it would be unrealistic to think one person could handle all of them.

The problem with wanting someone else to take their time to do this, is that you and many others on the forums wouldnt use it and it becomes another one of those forgotten threads.

And what you are asking for isnt even which watch is a super rep, you want them to then tell you how to mod it as well. That jumps into a whole other category that 99% of the people here dont care about.

 

[Drew01]

So OP basically want someone else to do the grunt work, because of many threads not giving the exact information needed readily available? On the other hand he does not need such a list for himself, as he puts in an effort to do proper research? Sorry man, it does´t ring well with me.

OP is giving an idea based on the recurrent questions that are asked 5 times a day here and that drives people crazy.
OP is not giving a shit of a lot of watch brand but still think it would be a good idea for people who like a specific brand.
OP is buying rep since 2010 and didn't need a list to do so.