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Hamilton 917 into a Pam 111h....

Night-Watch

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I have always admired the Hamilton 917 movement, its one of the prettiest movements around, its also solid well made and dependable, probably because of its history as a US railroad watch

The first time I saw a Hamilton used as a project watch was when I saw a beautifully engraved 917 built by Tourby Watches.... I decided I had to have one of these movements ....but... in a Pam. The obvious choice would have been a Fiddy due to the ample size. However, I wanted one in a Pam 45mm, that’s when the fun and games began as its not as easy as I first thought.

The Build: Hamilton 917’s don’t drop into 45mm Pam, in short just about nothing fits. The first job was to totally strip the watch, every cog, spring and screw was removed, I even unravelled the main spring. Whilst the watch was in bits, I ground the chassis down to fit the Pam. Next was to adapt the stem to fit a Pam crown. First problem is that the threads are different sizes. I cut the stem to the precise size (it has to be very accurate) then I filed the threads down to just the right amount inserted into the Pam crown and soldered in place as one sold piece, it’s now solid as a rock.

Dial and Super Lume: I ordered a dial “without†the words Panerai and super lumed it with the worlds brightest lume (according to the manufacturers).

Hands: None of the Hands fitted so I fabricated a new set, I am not happy with them and plan to build another set as soon as I have the right parts.

Crown Guard: I used the hot glue method for the crown guard pin then filed the pin down to leave a flush fit, this was the easiest part of the build and refreshing to do.

Housing and Cystal: I used a sapphire crystal and removed all the AR, I prefer it without AR and hate the blue tint (dead fake giveaway). I may have it AR’ed but for now I am happy with it. I removed all the AR by hand (you don’t need a Dremel if you haven't got one). To remove AR I used a Brillo Pad which is wire wool with a cleaning agent used to clean pans and ovens. Wire wool is a great glass cleaner, it doesn’t scratch glass as most people assume, steel or wire wool is nowhere near as hard as glass...

The Rebuild: Reassembled the movement and gave it a full service, it runs a treat and keeps excellent time. After this the rebuild was easy, all the hands are very firmly fitted and not as weak as the Pam hands we are used to. The movement dropped into the case nicely so all that was left was to fit the strap that I bought off CharlieUK , which is what made me start the project in the first place.

Hope you enjoy/ed my explanation and the images below, I am satisfied with the result so far, its a little extra special as its my first build, there is a great deal of satisfaction to be had from building the watch you wear. I would encourage others to follow suit... It’s not as hard as it may appear, and a great way to learn but I appreciate the 917 may not be everyone’s way to gain an apprenticeship of sorts ....

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chuddism

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11/3/08
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Very innovative work, im always impressed with the people who mod their pieces.
 

Simplizissimusâ„¢

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absolutely great work! I am impressed! :cool:

The Hamilton 917 Movement ist absolutely nice,
certanly one of the nicest arround..... apart from the Hamilton 921 ;)
 

RepGreg

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really nice, but could you tell us how you made the hands fit? (+ photos)

would love to see that, cause i'm having some work in progress, too ;)
 

Francisco

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These projects are very informative, and show us the way to learn watchmaking.

Thanks for posting!

Francisco
 

Night-Watch

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really nice, but could you tell us how you made the hands fit? (+ photos)

would love to see that, cause i'm having some work in progress, too ;)
Yes glad to help...give me a little time and I will update you with some information and images...
 

Night-Watch

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really nice, but could you tell us how you made the hands fit? (+ photos)

would love to see that, cause i'm having some work in progress, too ;)

I have made a new thread in the tutorial section, click here, it isnt just about making watch hands, in fact its a comparison between the Molnija 3601 and the 3602, however, there is a part that explains about how to fabricate a set of watch hands...

I have another project/s (3 actually) being built so as soon as I get time I'll try and publish a step by step tutorial with images...
 

Drulee

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Very nicely done. Just one thing, I believe you mean 44mm, not 45mm. Or is the commonly referred to 44mm case, actually 45mm in diameter :)
 

Night-Watch

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Very nicely done. Just one thing, I believe you mean 44mm, not 45mm. Or is the commonly referred to 44mm case, actually 45mm in diameter :)

I love your sig Durlee... "wanted etc etc I am too lazy to place an order" theres nothing like saying it as it is... bet your wife brushes your teeth in the morning...:blushed:
 

Drulee

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I love your sig Durlee... "wanted etc etc I am too lazy to place an order" theres nothing like saying it as it is... bet your wife brushes your teeth in the morning...:blushed:
Scrubs me back, Dresses me up, and wipes me arse too :)
 

nicewatchdude

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Here's mine too. I followed Nightwatch's thread on another forum. On my movement, there were additional tweaks.
First, the stem holes did not line up from case to movement. The case hole had to be filed downward and widened a lot because the movement stem hole was too far back. The stem hole o-ring gasket fit back in loosely, but I'm keeping it away from water.
The dial faces had to be sanded down and flattened to be sandwiched together as on this build I used the original Hamilton dial with the proper feet, and glued the rep Pam dial on top. Even though it was the same thickness I still had to make the hands hole recess on the top dial so that the original seconds hand would fit.
I also took it to an engraver to laser etch the Logo and title I wanted to use to time frame the building of the 917 era.
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Drulee

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That looks great nicewatchdude, and I think it just gave me an idea to try something out (not vintage related though :( ). If you don't mind me asking, what did the laser etching cost?