Got a gen PAM114E

[hooligan]

Hey, everybody. I'm back in the gen PAM owners' club again.

There is an interesting twist to my recent purchase though. My E series 114 has a Pre-V shaped CG on it, just like the current Historic models, save for the fact that it is polished. Now, the serial numbers all match the paperwork and warranty cards. The guy I bought it from said his sister bought it new from an AD in London (which jives with the warranty card, it's from a London jeweler) and he bought it from her. That's it, no other owners. It supposedly hasn't been serviced until it went to Wempe in NYC last month. I have the Wempe paperwork (and the 2-year warranty from them, yay!) and it doesn't mention anything about replacing the CG, just the movement servicing.

Soooo, it's a mystery to me at this point. I had heard stories of G series watches that had the brushed Pre-V style CGs, as sort of a transition to the H series full change-over, but an E series?!?!?!?!

Anyone out there heard anything like this?

I actually like the fatter, curved-top CGs, and this one is definitely a gen CG, so it doesn't bother me a bit. I'm just curious now, is all.

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So, what are your thoughts?

 

[cc]

Nice pickup!! I also favor the historic CG's vs the contemporary CG's. The 000 came with the historic CG's also in their G series. Maybe the 114 did also

 

[hooligan]

But this is "E" series, CC. That's what's got me scratching my head....(not that it takes much )

 

[Hambone]

Congrats Hooligan, thats a great gen to own, hope you got a good deaL on it.

 

[drfcfighter]

It's a rep. You got hosed. You should just send it to me.

Joking of course.

I've learned over the years that gen PAMs tend to use the overstock parts of previous year model, etc. I've heard of this with dials too, hense the T dials and L dials in the same model year, etc. Granted, this happened more during pre-V years, but I've seen posts from gen forums talking about such. As long as you got the cards, boxes, etc., I wouldn't worry about it. Besides, resale value CAN increase if with wrong parts from Panerai, etc. I recall something about wrong engravings in the past year...

Eitherway, great looking PAM!

 

[nielsen]

Heartiest congratulations on the beauty, Hooligan. Long may it tick for you. I, of course, have no clue about the parts interchangeability situation. I owned a Morgan car once, though, and it was common for bits of one series to end up on the next and vice versa because they are such a low volume manufacturer. They want to use up the old bits before moving on. Thus I'm not surprised to hear of the CG from one series ending up on the case of another. Bottom line is: as long as you enjoy it, who cares!

 

[boston]

Congrats! great looking watch

 

[watchbuff]

Wow! Sure feels good to buy a gen eh?
When I got my b2 and br, it was very satisfying. Kinda has me shying away from reps overall.
I got my seamaster from fakey and now will get a gen.
Looks like you got a great deal and the hard times has some practically giving away some gens.
Good luck with it, take care of it.

 

[hooligan]

The thing that I can't sort is that the CG would seemingly be a *newer* part than what the series would indicate. A Pre-V CG would be much fatter and brushed. The fact that this is polished would have led me to expect that this CG would belong to a newer Contemporary watch, since it's polished (I'm not sure which series the Contemporary models started using the Pre-V shaped crown guards).

At the end of the day, I'm happy and 100% certain that the parts are all gen, so it is 100% fine by me. I'm just curious to try to find out if this is out of the norm, or not. I believe it is, but I'm not certain.

 

[TA8088]

Congrats on the 114 hooligan. A nice pickup. Not sure what to make of the CG though. Will be interesting to see what everyone thinks.

 

[Aji]

Hey Hooligan,

Congrats on the new buy, did they mention which AD in London they bought it from? By the way does this mean you have a rep 114 to sell... (hint hint )

 

[hooligan]

Yep, my 010 will be up for sale shortly. I just transferred it from the DSN case to a "normal" rep case and installed a t48 crown. I need to polish the CG and mod the lever pin before listing it, though.

It was bought at "The Watch Gallery" on Fulham Rd in London on Dec. 16th, 2002. :wink:

 

[Aji]

Hey Hooligan,

I'll check them out, most people out here use Blowers as their 'go to' AD because they sell new and pre-owned pieces.
As for the 010, I hope I'm not contraviening any RWI rules by asking if you'd be willing to do a direct sale without putting it up on general offer?

cheers

 

[chillininla]

Wow Very nice. Congrats on the new watch.

 

[cazIRL]

Beautiful hooligan just beautiful

 

[therebel]

A white dial gen is definitely in my future. Congrats buddy!

That is of course if I can dodge getting my wife a 49 first...

 

[volumecontrol2]

Congrats on the new buy. I'm not a big fan of white faced dials but on a Panerai it looks pretty good.

In regards to the CG it could have been replaced by service. If you have a low model number it could also be the previous years stock.

 

[hooligan]

Congrats on the new buy. I'm not a big fan of white faced dials but on a Panerai it looks pretty good.

In regards to the CG it could have been replaced by service. If you have a low model number it could also be the previous years stock.

Thanks!

I originally suspected that the CG was replaced by service, but it is not listed on the paperwork for the service that the watch just received in Jan, and according to the previous owner, that was the only time it had been serviced. As far as being previous year's stock, I know of no D series watches that came with this style CG.

 

[babola]

Wow - nice pic up brother

Yup, the thick CG on gen Pam E-series in 2002 was a no-no, they (Vendome/Richemont) simply didn't start making pre-V shaped CG's before G-series in 2004. Possibilities are...replaced CG at the service centre or a prototype CG, most likely the former. Who knows the CG might have been scratched or damaged and replaced by default witout consultatioon with the owner.
Not being mentioned on service sheet is nothing new, on 'risti.com there have been many reporting non-AR xtal replacement with the AR one on their pre-V and pre-A hystorics during recent service (I know - criminal act to say the least :roll: ) and not mentioned on service sheet.

Post the same question on 'risti...see what they come up with 8)

So what happened to a DSN 10D of yours?

Wear it well,
babola

 

[hooligan]

Hey, babola! Nice seeing you 'round these parts, old friend.

Yep, replacement during service is the only thing I can come up with. Interesting, I didn't know that replacing something and not noting it on the paperwork was common for the RSCs. I gotta think that's exactly what happened. Lucky for me, in that case, since I like the thick CGs better.