Gen or Rep?

[Japes]

Ok, folks, any opinions here?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... &rd=1&rd=1

 

[caravaggio]

GEN

But feedback is infected.

Carefully investigate why before placing a bid.

Luke

 

[seank]

An absolute bunch of hooey. In addition to the crown being off its not even the right material. It should be Titanium and S.S.. I'm feeling a little deja vu. btw.




Sean

 

[caravaggio]

What? A phoney?

I just placed a bid.


SH*T :evil:


Goes to show what I know: about as much as how to get chicks.

LL

 

[Japes]

An absolute bunch of hooey. In addition to the crown being off its not even the right material. It should be Titanium and S.S.. I'm feeling a little deja vu. btw.




Sean

The description states SS and Titanium. And the feedback seems pretty ok to me also. The back also looks pretty solid as for the engraving and stuff and the canon pin is definately NOT recessed. But, what do I know?

 

[babola]

Japes mate,
have you considered posting "rep or real" questions on the gen forum's like paneristi.com or timezone.com in the future ?

cheers,
babola

 

[pugwash]

and the canon pin is definately NOT recessed. But, what do I know?

Well, the Cannon Pinion recession issue is only an issue on the manual winds. Using it as a test on an automatic is a bad idea.

 

[seank]

I don't care what the desciption says it looks nothing like a 171. Go to the Panerai site and take alook. The friggin crown is to small also which is a dead give away. That is not a gen in the picture. Bid away at your own risk fellas.




Sean K

 

[pugwash]

I don't care what the desciption says it looks nothing like a 171. Go to the Panerai site and take alook. The friggin crown is to small also which is a dead give away. That is not a gen in the picture. Bid away at your own risk fellas.

Really? Looks gen to me. :shock:

Crowns on Panerais with dates are thinner than on regular ones to allow for the date change stop.

 

[Japes]

Crown, to me, looks exactly like the gens on the Panerai site, so, I don't mean to upset you, Sean, but, as far as the crown is concerned, I don't see any difference at all.

 

[seank]

O.K. Pugs I still think the crown is a bit thin however the bracelet and case are stainless only. It has nothing to do with lighting either Its brushed stainless on the outside and polished in the center. There is no Titanium on this piece. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. Did I mention that this piece goes for anywhere between 7,000.00 and 8.000.00 usd. If it feels like a turd and smells like a turd most likely its a turd.




Sean K

 

[BurgerFlaggen]

It could just be me, but the cg looks to be the wrong dimension; the aperature through which the date shows looks like it is the wrong shape, not to mention the font on both the date wheel and the hour markers on the dial appear to be just a bit off. Hinge pin on cg lever seems to be the wrong length.
If it were a rep for sale (at an appropriate price), I'd jump. Either OP had a bad QC day, or this guy is selling (knowingly or not) a rep as gen.

I went back six auctions in his feedback, and the pattern indicates that every one of them is from his personal collection, worn sparingly, and in terrific shape. This is certainly possible but it is also incredibly formulaic, especially considering how many variations of similar watches he "collected". I also detect syntax/grammatical errors typical of people from "replica land" who are "English language learners". My own grammatical errors are a result of public education.

As I mentioned, it could be legit, but hopefully you have a change to do some due diligence on this before you commit. You do use a service such as eSnipe, right? So you can cancel out up until the last minutes? Best of luck to you.

Take me with a grain of salt, as I have barely passed the point of finding "who has the best sub" and am clearly a noob.

Crown, to me, looks exactly like the gens on the Panerai site, so, I don't mean to upset you, Sean, but, as far as the crown is concerned, I don't see any difference at all.

 

[Japes]

Wow. Just noticed that too. His last feedback is from a Breitling Crosswind Chronomat that he claims is from his personal collection. However, if you click on the "view other items from this seller" link, you will see that exact same breitling for sale right now as well.

 

[babola]

It's a gen.

Comparing the photos of gen or rep PAMs with the ones found on panerai.com is generaly not 100% fool proof as the ones shown on the official site are often one-off early prototypes and OORs, with details that sometimes look different from their retail models.

Ti on ebay photos looks like S/S due to some poor lighting and photo shooting tehniques, but it's actually Ti.

Crown looks 1:1, dial is perfect, date font is 1:1, serial no. is not the one that comes on reps of this kind, only on genuine PAMs lugs come with notches to accomodate metal bracelet lug-ends.

If it is a rep like you say, than it's the first of this kind of attention to details, manufacture and quality, the one none of us have seen so far
... and if that's the case than OP is in a big trouble 8)

cheers,
babola

 

[seank]

It's a gen.
Ti on ebay photos looks like S/S due to some poor lighting and photo shooting tehniques, but it's actually Ti.

Crown looks 1:1, dial is perfect, date font is 1:1, only on genuine PAMs lugs come with notches to accomodate metal bracelet lug-ends.

If it is a rep like you say, than it's the first of this kind of attention to details, manufacture and quality, the one none of us have seen so far ... and if that's the case than OP will have to start worrying about big time 8)

cheers,
babola

Well the lighting then is very deceiving. I have this rep and I'll tell you it looks the same to me. The only thing that is different is the lume. On my rep its got a green ting to it. That looks like stainless at every angle. There is not one angle that tells me any different. I've seen the gen up close and the two tone is pretty dramatic. Its like having the matte finish of the the IWC Ti next to chrome. I can't see how lighting would hide that big of a contrast. If you say its a gen Babola then I believe you. We should all bid on this thing because its way, way under priced.



Sean K

 

[BurgerFlaggen]

Well, let's hope things work out.
Because of camera angles, lighting and wonderful OP quality control, it's possible that it's a gen.

Best of luck to you Japes!
We're rooting for you-

 

[Japes]

I have to say, I probably won't be bidding on this. Here is something interesting. I went back through his feedback and it seems that all five of these watches (the last one is still for sale presently) are from his "personal collection" and yet all five are identical (unless I missed something).


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0040598935

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0050675837

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0060693140

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0068407721

http://cgi.ebay.com/BREITLING-Chronomat ... dZViewItem



Clearly something fishy going on here.

 

[pugwash]

I have to say, I probably won't be bidding on this.

To be honest, the questions you're asking are better suited for the genuine watch forums.